Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

I am. I'm excited about a green economy and changes to education. Also the commitment to reduce violence against woman and girls.

We were left with the dregs running the country

The tories have become pretty much UKIP, with smatterings of BNP thrown in there like little shitty sprinkles of hate. Imo.

Division and more division. Carve the electorate into little shouty boxes of people ranting at each other, and use that as a strategy to stay in power. Lovely.

Sadly their supporters haven’t noticed…

Theres not much conserving going on, only culture wars and divisive politics to attempt to scrape through.

Something will change immediately though. There will be a sense of optimism that there is a government that cares about people not just the very rich.,

That is exciting enough for me.

Shh. We are not allowed to talk about the Tories associating with people who think women should have less education so they have more babies.

You still haven't answered...why do you think the countries that consistently have the best track record for women's parity with men have introduced these relaxed forms of gender self-ID?

Do you think they've suddenly simultaneously all gone mad and lost leave of their senses after their consistent strong performance for women?

Why would you think that?

Maybe they haven't all gone mad, maybe they're continuing in their proven track record of good decisions for their populations.

As opposed to now?

Social care cut to the bone
No more early intervention or sure start centres
Domestic violence services cut, refuges closing, no mental health services without months long waiting lists?
Rape convictions are so rare victims just don’t report
Women are being killed almost daily by men

Tell me how women and children are protected and safe under this government?

I live in Wales and Starmer is nothing like Drakeford and his government. They don’t see eye to eye at all.

All the evidence from the covid enquiry shows that Boris and Sunak did make an awful lot of wrong decisions,

Wouldnt it be lovely to have a Chancellor who had worked for the Bank of England for example?

I am old enough to remember various different governments. I know that if Labour get in there will be 3 to 4 years of spending on vital services and lots of social investments etc but then the money ( or borrowing) will dry up and chaos/adversity and severe financial problems will follow. I don't want the tories to get back in but I have no confidence in labour either.

Nothing you say will sell in TRA ideology. And yes they’ve gone mad over this. Males clearly cannot change sex and all the associated indoctrination is damaging too.

I very much hope the top four start to re prioritise women’s sex based rights soon

And I assume there was a top four before this insidious ideology took hold. I’ll keep speaking up to get back to that.

If you are batting for male rights and trying to sell in TRA ideology I doubt anything you can say will convince me. It’s very sad we have to contend with those who are keen to trample over women for their own aims as it is.

Nope

What private schools? My children are adults now and went to school in the Blair era. I voted for the demented fool on his "education, education, education " spiel. And he took us to a war we none of us wanted and were never going to win. And it all went downhill from there.

Dont get me wrong, I can't stand either main party and the fringe parties are worse. But on womens rights to have rape counselling with only women (the cunty kind) if they want and keeping prisons single sex and keeping gender shite out of schools, and only recording crimes committed by women, not those other women, and sports that young girls can access and maybe excel in without having to play with or against men and boys. So far Tories are doing something. Not enough, for sure, but more than labour will.

No but the Tories need to go.

It was the same in 1997 but Blair inherited a much better economy. The country needs radical change and Starmer is another establishment man.

May I say I am impressed that St Petersburg isnt busy preparing for Christmas at this time.

Really?

’Sir Keir Starmer described the Welsh Government as providing a “blueprint for what what Labour can do across the UK”.

In his speech today he said: "A Welsh Labour government is the living proof of what Labour in power looks like, how things can be done differently and better. You demonstrate daily the difference Labour really makes. A blueprint for what Labour can do across the UK.

Yes I guess you would know about that

I think it is important to try and understand cultural traditions from around the world. Do you not?

Go for it, enjoy.

And over on a different thread we are being told, to get rid of the GRA means opting out if the ECHR and the good Friday agreement being torn up. Both these things cannot be true.

God help us.

The GRA is uk national law, there is zero in the ECHR that says we have to opt out to change it.
Thats just an excuse by the Tories to cover up their lack of action on the GRA.

The GFA is an international agreement, hence the ECHR connection.

It seems it’s incredibly easy and the women asking for it will be responsible for restarting the troubles.

I shall indeed. Culture in its many varieties is endlessly fascinating. I have been fortunate enough like the Prime Minister to have been an (economic) migrant and indeed am fortunate now to live with many migrant neighbours of different cultures.

The Doctors strike would end... if its still going on by next October.

Labour would negotiate, around the offer made plus a 4 year plan to restore pay.