Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Why haven't the countries who have introduced these policies dropped down the equalities table over the years since they introduced them, rather than staying at the top?

Starmer has already done a brilliant job with the Labour party, 4 years ago, they were unelectable, too extreme and anti-Semitic, he addressed both.

What have the Tories done about Islamophobia in their party? plus they have have moved much further to the right, Sunak went to a far right grouping in Italy recently and was more than very close to Georgi Meloni.

Keir Starmer is sensible. Full stop. Think this is the key point - we have had such chaos and craziness over the last four years, we've almost forgotten what normal politics is like. I can't wait to try it again.

I’m excited. I think he’s a good man. He’s calm and wise. I’m excited about a green economy and unlocking the innovation in the private sector. I love his human rights background. He’s a credible decent person with a measured approach to exciting change.

Very easy to say why and a priority to change

Because gender is part of the framework. TRA / male rights get you more points than pro women sex based rights

It’s vital this is changed so women’s sex based rights is no longer a lower consideration than what men want

How?
I'm assuming you are running with the "Starmer doesn't know what a woman is" crowd which is just as reductionist as all the stupid Tory statements like "stop the boats"
Do you feel safer with people like James Cleverly as ministers?

I am very keen on seeing transition to a green economy and also look forward to a government that will work to end strikes by engaging with teachers, doctors, rail staff etc etc etc.

I don’t see any point of voting at all in the next GE.
As it is a long-held tradition for the mainstream parties to respect the constituency of the Speaker and not to field candidates against him we’re basically disenfranchised. Our MP hasn’t got a vote

I wish I could agree. I find him
wooden, uninspiring and weak

You’d prefer with someone who’s animated, full of it and (on the surface of it) strong? That ends us up with someone like Johnson.

Soundbytes, telling people what they want to hear, while it all goes to shit, that’s where that has lead us.

You’d have thunk we’d have learnt but hey, we get the government we deserve 😉

It completely maddens me when people say Starmer is boring. Who the fuck wants an exciting politician?
I tell you who wasn't boring, Trump and Boris. It's like people are so thick they want an 'entertaining' politician rather than someone who actually cares about society, is steady and dependable. I'll take a statesmanlike man like starmer anyday.

All I know of Starmer is that he spent Covid jeering about Boris making the wrong decisions without ever explaining what he would have done differently. Don't get me wrong, I thought Borris was a crap PM, but I have no faith in Starmer. I don't think he's capable and it will all just be more of the same.

I can't see Labour making much of an impact to be honest, also people's memories are very short.
Labour came into to much Fan Fair in 1997 and went out in 2010 with 2 divisive wars and a failed economy. Their main achievement then was probably the Northern Ireland Peace Process.
I am not sure what the answer is as the conservatives don't deserve another 5years with Rishi laughably trying to position himself as a change candidate not long ago amongst other things.

Get the tories out.
There Is no one but them to blame for the mess we are in. The country is on its knees.
I and many other NHS staff have seen the NHS broken but by bit, underfunded and nothing left.

they need to stop blaming everyone and hand the country over to another party that can rebuild what they broke

The Conservatives culled all the vaguely intelligent and principled people in their party over Brexit. We were left with the dregs running the country.
They have wrecked every public service, decimated local government, wrecked the economy, upped taxes so they are at the highest rates since WWII.

Not 'excited' more relieved that someone else will take the reins.

Do you think the Tories are up to the job?

I agree with you on getting people in ministerial roles who actually know about the subject matter.
Not like eg Gavin Williamson the former minister for education ...

Williamson worked as a manager in fireplace manufacturer Elgin & Hall, a subsidiary of AGA, until 2004.[10][11] Williamson had become managing director of Aynsley China, a Staffordshire-based pottery firm by 2005. It sold ceramic tableware

Has anyone been able to explain how they can look at the Home Secretary and think, that is the man we need to look after women?

I don't think you are familiar with the global gender gap index report perhaps...it measures women's Economic Participation and Opportunity, Educational Attainment, Health and Survival, and Political Empowerment in comparison with men's performance on these areas.

The top 4 countries on these measures all have more relaxed policies if gender self-ID.

Totally agree with this!

By contart Sunak is so full of nothing I find it exciting.

Yes Yes Yes!

So what's the problem then? Have the Tories decided to implement something that doesnt exist in law?

Terrified of what it will mean for womens and children's safe guarding

Repeating it doesn’t help

Those countries could re-prioritise sex based rights and I’m sure they’d continue to thrive, and obviously be better for women and girls

If this is your TRA argument then no thanks.

How is having Michelle Mone on the legislature a useful balance to anything?
Or having a Russian by his way into parliament?

No excitement, just the sooner that the current government are out of office the better. I won't get what I would like, either some policies I wish to see (a fair voting system for a start), or the justice of several of the Tories serving the prison sentences they should have, but at least starting to stop the rot is a step forward.