Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Would you care to explain why they both cant be true?

Definitely if in Scotland we can be rid of the Snp whose bribery policies have left the magic money tree bare whilst things that are truly needed in communities just don't get the funding.

Welsh Labour is separate from U.K. Labour. Also as a person living in Wales I disagree with the characterisation of them in the post you are responding to.

👍 enjoy xmas

You cnt negotiate, because that is a sign of weakness and if there is one thing Sunak is it is weak?

Have we established yet from Sunak and those who support him why he thinks date rape is funny?

I will indeed enjoy some time at the weekend with my orthodox friends. Thank you for your kind wishes.

Yes I am very excited about it. And I can't wait to get rid of this terrible Government.

Jgw - The problem is Starmer doesn't know what a woman is. He cannot answer a simple question of what is a woman.

By way of contrast fortunately the Home Scretary does and has recently made that clear? I trust @2dogsandabudgie you support his position?

Repealing the GRA means getting out of the ECHR apparently. Do you want to exit the ECHR?

If so you’re in luck you can then repeal the GRA

I’m not excited but then often people can feel excited about a politician only too often to be disappointed. So I’m willing to give him and the new government a chance. It hopefully will be better than the current government.

Some of the Tory party are quite keen to reduce our rights by leaving ECHR.

Any chane you could answer my question about why both cant be true, or are you just trying to distract from the Tories inaction?

While we are on the subject of the treatment of women are you supportive of the Home Secretaries position on the matter?

There is a current petition to Repeal the GRA which closes on 24th May 2023

The initial Government response was that the GRA “is effective, strikes the right balance, we have no plans to change it”

https://www.womensdeclaration.com/en/resources/statements-and-letters/wdi-uk-statement-in-support-of-petition-to-repeal-the-gra/

No mention of the ECHR in the full response.

Any chane you could answer my question about why both cant be true

Both what can’t be true?

Thanks it is good to know the governments position on the matter.

Strange, both parties support the GRA and both have no plans to change or reform, yet its Labour that will erase women.

How weak we must be to be so easily Erased by a party with an identical policy!

Jgw - He didn't say that in response to the question what is a woman. Of course I don't agree with what he said, and it was right that he should apologise. I could ask you the same thing about Starmer, do you agree with him when he says it's not only women who have a cervix?

We don't need to have the same level of tax as Dubai just a level of tax that stops us giving people an incentive to move. You are conflating corporate and individual taxes and yes international companies have historically engaged in what is called BEPS to maximise efficiency of corporate tax structures.

When I say super rich I use it in the common sense of the word.

Sunaks wife is a billionaire not him, unless you are assuming husbands own and control their wife's property? I understand her wealth is from shares in Infosys an Indian company her father founded so it's remarkable she pays tax on Indian income to the UK taxman - seems like the UK is doing very well from that!

I agree. These laughable, dangerous narcissists were and are a menace and it's not remotely funny. Both Trump and Boris think women should be treated with contempt, even their own wives. Neither of them can keep it in their trousers. And both couldn't give a shit about the countries they were leading, respectively.

And people here are complaining about the Labour Party 'not knowing what a woman is'. Personally I think this is disingenuous.

But you still support Cleverleys party even though he thinks its funny to give drugs to his wife that are commonly used in date rape?

I can only assume that protection of women is not high on your agenda, which is understandable given how many other crisis the government have created.

On the subject of taxes it is important to note that Sunak pys a lower proportion of his income in tax than teaxhers and nurses do.

In the intersts of factual accuracy I would like to point out that Infosys continues to trade successfully in Russia.

Is anyone pretending it isnt disengenious?

Well, you said "companies moved to Dubai" so company tax.

On Sunak, his tax bill of 22% (on income of 5m) was CGT on US investment income plus income tax on his PM salary.

Whats the PAYE % rate on £5m earnings?

I thought that in a UK recognised marriage, (most) wealth was jointly owned?

No idea what tax Mrs Sunak pays, it wont be on Infosys shares, a company currently operating in and supporting Russia/Putin in its war against Ukraine and ultimately the UK/Europe..... thats really weird, Sunak is benefiting from income, no matter how small, derived from a company operating in Russia.

Think on that as we send Ukraine another £2bn in aid/weapons.

Are you saying Sunak or his wife pays a lower proportion? I think you mean his wife.

You should clarify what you say and be more precise eg "Sunak's wife (who he does not control) pays a lower proportion of tax on her Indian share dividends than NHS staff pay on their salaries in the UK".

I will not be voting Conservative because they are a shower of shit but Sunak is not in charge of his wife's family wealth.

Ah, you forgot the bestest ever policy yet. The one where my partner lives in my house for 2? Years and if we then split up, is entitled to some of MY HOUSE. The one I paid for, the one I pay all bills in, the one I pay literally any costs for and he pays not a penny towards. Theres a reason I didn't marry the man. And yet with one swoop starmer will break us up. Because I wont risk my home.