Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

[roarrfeckingroar]

I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Sense at last. Thank you for explaining in terms anyone could understand @jasflowers.

How on earth can you hold to account a party that isn't in power nor has a published manifesto?

Labour have far far more women as members and as MPs than the Tories, 104 vs 88, bear in mind the Tories have almost twice as many MPs overall, should tell you something.

shouldn't be held to account

But surely you can’t hold someone to account if they have no actual power? The whole thread has become a one dimensional discussion about a single issue, mostly pure conjecture, rather than anything solid that has been said relating to the law at a time when the country is in the worst state in a long time with things literally crumbling around us.

It’s still a long time potentially until an election is called, so quite how posters can know how everything will pan out is beyond me. But what we can all see is how things have panned out under the most dismal government this country has ever seen.

No1 priority imo is to get this government gone- everything is under threat if they are re-elected.

Are you saying i'm "simple" lol!

Thankyou.

How on earth can you hold to account a party that isn't in power nor has a published manifesto?

Are you serious?? Labour are seeking our vote, and you think we shouldn't question them about their policies?

@SoreAndTired1 I agree, the tory right has seized on women’s rights as part of the whole anti-woke agenda, making them look like the voice of reason (which they - or some of them - are, on this specific point). It puts gender critical voters in a bloody difficult position. I honestly believe that Keir Starmer gets it (the man is not an idiot), but is strategically fudging it so as not to distract from his mission to win power by creating a huge furore where he is attacked from all sides for taking a stand. I know I could be wrong. Nothing will induce me to vote tory, even if Kemi Badenoch is talking sense about this one important issue.

So why doesn't the Labour party prevent that AND do the right thing by women?

If Labour fail to win this election on this issue then it will be down to the Labour Party.

I am reassured by the implication that the Tories are not seeking our vote.

They are seeking power! So why shouldn't we have the right to know what their policies are??? Before we vote?

Maybe Starmer could start with moving on from ‘no one is talking about it’

The Tories are in power, and even Sunak can't remember what their policies are.

There has never been a female leader and the way they have silenced Duffield is abhorrent.

In a democracy we MUST be able to ask 'what will the opposition do?'. We can do it on the NHS and public services and taxes? What's the difference with women's rights?

and you think we shouldn't question them about their policies?

because it’s not reasonable to expect a precise detail of a parties policies nearly one year away from an election.

Questioning is totally different to being held to account.

Labour aren't in power, they therefore are not accountable for deeds done.

Its also difficult to question Labour on policies not yet announced.

He has really lost my respect on that.

He knows women are talking about it but for 'reasons' doesn't care enough about our votes.

But if women make their feelings known on this, especially since Labour is our natural political home on womens rights, then if enough pressure is brought to bear they will hopefully formulate their policies on the feedback they are getting from women.

We're not. We're just asking that women's rights are for women (the cunty type) only.

Not much detail is required for that. Just that adult human female excludes all males (including ones with a special piece of paper).

Sunak of course cares enough about women's votes to keep in post a Home Secretary who thinks it is amusing to drug his wife.

And?

Why does that make it impossible to ask the Labour Party questions about women's rights?

I know pp keep saying no one cares and they obviously don’t

But it’s clear women who do care have had a political impact. Still a lot to do but it’s not nothing

Its not impossible but it is difficult before a policy has been announced, i mean what are you questioning?

Exactly. It's about lobbying. Lobbying for our interests for Labour to take notice. And yes, hold them to account for their previous policy and for the treatment of their own like Rosie Duffield.

C'mon, you're deliberately misinterpreting my words and it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. I'm talking about Poverty, the effects of austerity measures, an unequal and unfair society where opportunities are distributed unevenly - those are just some of the underlying issues which need to be addressed. Give people a fighting chance regardless of the circumstances they're born into and perhaps we won't need as many single sex prison spaces or hostel rooms. But as an advocate of women's rights you couldn't disagree on this surely?

I’m very confused about the Labour Party being the “home of feminism” when Pankhurst continued to work for women’s empowerment, though her politics grew less radical. She committed herself to anti-communism, defended British imperialism, and became a member of the Conservative Party late in life.

It is currently impossible for me to ask my MP anything since for over two years he has failed to reply to my letter to him.

I don't recall anyone saying you can't ask the Labour party anything you like, but since the Labour party as far as I know are not on this thread, asking here is perhaps a little futile.