Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Once again, women will always be oppressed and will always need hostels and single sex spaces because of the harm men pose.

Women not having these spaces contributes to poverty and an unequal and unfair society where opportunities are distruted unevenly. Based on sex. Give women rights to single sex spaces and some of the poverty and unequal opportunities will right themselves.

Why labour won't put women's rights above the wishes of males? They are clear that they will not revoke the GRC and are unclear on what a woman is.

Why labour won't protect children from trans ideology?

These are really simple questions.

Why don't you expect the Opposition, in the face of the evidence of harm to women and children to be clear on their position on this? I assume you expect them to have clear policies on public services etc?

Or do you just vote for anyone who says they are not Tory without any critical thought as to what they might stand for?

How can we usefully change society for the better if we don't ask questions?

Yes thankfully it hasn’t been left to ‘no one cares’

We’d get nowhere

Its possible it would be more effective to ask those questions of those currently in power?

Or have you entirely given up on the idea that the current government will do anything for the benefit of the country?

If or when the Labour Party become the GOVERNMENT then I will hold them responsible for what they do to the women in this country.

Right now and for the past 14 years the Tories have been in power. It was the Tories who ceded women's rights to the TRAs. It was the Tories who sold our rights to Stonewall. It was the Tories who allowed social transition in schools and paid for/ facilitated the warping of our children's bodies and minds. It was the Tories who put rapists into women's prisons and on women's wards. That's on top of everything else they've done to us and the fact that they're lying bastards who aren't to be trusted.

The Tory party is responsible. It was the Tory government that made it happen.

Of course, except this thread was asking about peoples feelings about the Labour Party potentially winning the election.

I am absolutely baffled that anyone thinks it's not appropriate to state that the opposition has policies that are harmful to women.

it is the most appropriate time to raise voter awareness.

Change doesn't happen by staying quiet.

That doesn't make me a closet Tory, it makes me a woman who wants the opposition to oppose the current government position and to do the right thing when they win the election.

How do you expect the Labour Party to know that women are worried about these things if we can't talk about them?

Do you have the same opinion about public services and the NHS?

Will you vote for any non-Tory party or do you expect Labour to have policies on things that matter to you?

But then PM Sunak doesn't know what a woman is. Like he really has no idea. How can we trust him with women's rights when he thinks that a woman is whatever Boris Johnson says?🤯

I assume you mean the repeal the GRA? so you want to remove all rights to people different from you or i?

I'll be honest here, i dont give a fuck if John wants to be Janice, i don't want him discriminated against and put in a wheel chair by a gang attack in my local town which happened a few years back. I also don't care much about same sex toilets either, they are very common in Europe.
Equally i don't want "Janice" running in female sport or at a DV refuge but both are easily addressed.

However some on here sound like the sort who wanted Turing chemically castrated.

Like i said earlier, improved public services addresses most issues, very keen on the work Jess Phillips has done on violence against the women and improved services for these following years of cuts, now so bad less than 50% of cries for help go unanswered and where panic rooms were taxed.

No outrage on here about any of this, its all but Labour, as if the Tories cannot win the next GE.

I don't know Labours education policy but i do think children should learn that everyone can be different.

Yes the GRA needs to be repealled.

Men with a special certificate are not the same as women.

The GRA has created an anti-woman legal fiction.

I couldn't care less about peoples differences, as JKR says people can wear and love whoever they want, but no male is any kind of female and there are situations in which sex matters.

The GRC has created the mess we are in. It needs repealing.

I assume you mean the repeal the GRA? so you want to remove all rights to people different from you or i?

Do you mean it’s important to you males can continue to access female spaces?

Removing extra privileges (not 'rights') men have and wrongly got by deception, and restoring those rights to women is not removing 'rights' from other people. It's restoring rights. Restoring rights to vulnerable women and girls. Whose rights were taken.

I trust you have written to the PM on the subject, since it is within his gift to do just as you want at present?

I don't know Labours education policy but i do think children should learn that everyone can be different.

So do I, I particularly think that children should learn that gender non confirming girls are still girls.

I say that as the mother of a non gender conforming autistic daughter, or do you think she was born in the wrong body and children should be taught to encourage her that because she's not like the other girls she must be a boy?

It won't be if Labour get into power.

Yes I have written to my conservative MP about this, she responded. I have also written to the leader of the Labour Party who declined to do so.

Our public services and NHS have been Stonewalled to fuck. Who paid Stonewall for this? The Tory government. Why did the Tory government pay all this money to Stonewall? Because the head of Stonewall was a Tory member and donor. The Tory government pumped money into transing children while the rest of the NHS crumbled and many children in the country lost access to NHS dentists.

I will not be voting Labour or Tory. They don't stand in my constituency. I will always fight the government for the betterment and safeguarding of women's rights. Regardless of the party in power.

I don't disagree. I don't vote Conservative.

What will the Labour Party do to change this, or the Greens or Lib dems?

I mean what this thread really shows is no party with any chance of political power gives a fuck about women's rights.

This is not good enough. As women we should all take a stand and put all political parties to task.

Just saying 'ah but the Tories' is not enough.

Dunno yet, hoping labour will say something about single sex where necessary.

What I consider necessary might not match what labour think necessary. But if they said for e.g rape centres, prisons, hospital wards. I might vote and keep fighting.
If they say single sex but men who have a grc , then frankly, fuck them.

No idea. None have published manifestos yet. I do know that the SDP and Reform UK are the only 2 parties that have been consistent with their TWANW views for anyone who is a Single Issue voter.

But I won't be voting for any of them.

Well as much as pp want her out Kemi Badenoch does care about sex based rights

And is leading the only solution for getting males out of female spaces

I’m not saying this so people will vote switch (as if) but it’s the current situation

That's the current Tory government's position. They are still refusing a blanket ban on men in women's prisons and other single sex spaces.

I have serious issues with Kemi's policies on education as the parent of SEN children but she is the best bet for women's rights at the moment.

Not one party gives a shit about women when push comes to shove.

That we are expected not to put Labour to task on this because of the 'greater good' really gets on my nerves.

Women matter.

I understand those concerns as obviously a class needs support, although she is not education but leading on women’s rights so at least her motivation is in our favour

As I understand it Badenoch is a member of the governing party.
As such why has she not already done something, or persuaded her leader to do something in the next few months about this pressing issue?