Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Having different priorities doesn't make me a TRA and you have referred to some posters as TRAs simply for having different priorities to you.

Thank you!

If Labour could embrace womens basic human rights, could prioritise women and girls' needs above men, they would be the perfect party. As it stands, if women don't have these basic rights, we can't perform in society. At least not to a standard expected of a first world country in 2024. Women are 50% of the population and if you enact policies to oppress 50% of the population, then you are making for a more dysfunctional society. There are many women like me who have opted out of participating in society as much as we did. Our lifestyles, our mental health are affected. You can't oppress 50% of the population, give almost all their rights away, and be surprised when you get backlash. What we need is a modern day Feminist Revolution, a feminist uprising. And I am seeing shades of that happening, but not fast enough. Because there will always be traitors on your own side.

When women got the vote, if you know your history (and I am a history fan) the majority of women didn't feel we needed the right to vote. They felt their husbands knew what they were doing.

Again, when women wanted to right to drink in public bars instead of the lounge, most women were against the idea. They thought it 'vulgar'.

Both of those rights were achieved by a minority of women.

So it was ever thus, as it is now, that most women seem to be against the idea of women having safe single sex spaces.

We are told that us women are trouble makers and are 'in the minority'. We feminists have always been in the minority. It's no surprise to see people saying that this particular struggle is 'not important' in voters minds. It never is. Until it's too late. But it is us 'minority' that have fought the fight and achieved results that the majority of women now enjoy. All of the backs of us 'minority'.

Exactly! 🙄Tory voter "I wont vote labour because politicians need to have been successful in "real" careers before being MPs."

Er - like a lawyer successful enough to head up the DPP? An economist successful enough to work for the Bank of England?

That's what Labour are offering - real people - real experience!

Tory voters - "Oh no - not those careers - we preferred a wealthy posh habitually lying populist journalist with a thing for quoting Latin and who was a bit funny on panel shows!"

ah yes but he wasn't "boring" and to some, thats all that matters.

Read the post again, unless you’re the same poster as below why do you assume TRA applies to you?

What I poster is what I meant, by constantly repeating no one cares you haven’t contributed, but the opposite

It takes women speaking up to move the dial and yes they’ve had success, even if some put effort in to say it’s a non issue

I hope you’re right too.

thanks to all the efforts of the women lobbying about it

Some posters miss this part

@jgw1 - Jess Philips? Nandy? Debbonaire?

I will be joining you on the deluded fool bench if you're wrong as I will be too.

jgw - I think you need rebooting, you seem to be malfunctioning.

No! The GOVERNMENT need to be held to account more than anyone else. Because the Government develop and enact policies that impact the whole country and everyone in it.

There is something very wrong with your belief that other, non-governing parties are the problem.

Yep I am. I’ve known Keir’s family for years and have met him a few times and I can honestly hand on heart say that he is a good man. I would be absolutely thrilled if he became prime minister because it’s about time we had an honest person from a working class background at the head of our government.

Thank you for your concern.
It has been a long day with a series of morons to negotiate, perhaps tomorrow will go better.

It will pretty much the same as self ID though as males will more easily get GRC and enter female spaces, and no one can check.

If you don’t want that then you need biological sex definition

😂 I had that with an AI customer service once, not dissimilar

Are you a Single Issue voter or a feminist voter@Winnading? Who will you be voting for?

The Tories have made GRC's easier to get, more clinics and cheaper, yet you don't seem bothered by this.

Pretty sure GC voters are feminist even if you can’t combine the two..

That is not important to me.
What is important to me is that the Tories know what a woman is and Labour do not.

The problem is, by not taking up the issue of womens rights, Labour has left the gap wide open for the tories to make themselves look like the party of women (even though they're clearly not) and capitalise on it. Labour has left that space and tories have opportunistically capitalised on it. And not just in the UK, in America as well. It's 50% of the population and it's there for the taking. Left wing parties all around the world are allowing conservatives to capture that ground.

Labour are the ones who want to take over government. They are the ones that are the natural home of feminism.

There is something very wrong if you don't see how a party that is the natural home of feminism, and are seeking to defeat the incumbency, shouldn't be held to account.

There was a poster earlier also suggesting that the Tories dont want our votes and to be in government. All bit confusing.

Is it because Sunak's memory is failing and he is failing to recall that he is meant to be governing the country and showing leadership?

BTW the Tories will be delighted if many many left leaning women stay home and don't vote as a protest - it's what they are hoping will happen on the back of the social media campaigning that is so obvious here!

And then the Tories will get in. Again.

And the best thing about that will be Labour will learn it's lesson, change tact and romp it in in 4 years after that. They need to be taught a lesson. A protest abstention of vote is the quickest way to do that.

‘Social media campaign’

You mean women talking about sex based rights

Oh yes leave it to you and others and jack shit would be said

No thanks