Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

laughing at your crossed out insults

Yes I know you don’t care. Thank god some women do and speak up. If no one gave a shit we’d still have self ID

Although Labour will probably revert

Thanks for that link, I have bookmarked it. The evidence is everywhere that women and girls rights are being removed.

It's interesting how some of the women or politicians with right wing views come over all 'women's rights' when there's a vote or two to be had - you are either naive or totally misunderstand a lot of the Tory ethos. I'm not saying 'all' Tory's but a great many post Brexit would be more than happy to restrict maternity leave and maternity pay and make you reliant on a bloke - they really are not into prioritising 'rights' for women- you are talking about safe areas and separate facilities- this is a totally separate issue from women's rights. Personally im not keen on mixed wards or mixed changing areas either- but that's not the same thing. If the Tory's were so fantastically keen on these issues they would have prioritised these things already. They haven't.

You really shouldn't, as the poster never linked to self ID improving womens rights etc etc just that if people like you were correct, these countries would have seen their survey results fall as self ID introduced but they didn't.

Stats will be gathered across a broad range of income groups, they don't exclude lower paid women.

Thank you for your concern.
It isn't actually that worrying, without surgery she has a life span of a couple of years, with surgery it could be 10 years before she needs further surgery. But that surgery isn't without significant risk.

That she will have male and female doctors, male and female nurses, male and female anaestetists, male and female radiographers and so on is utterly irrelevant. What is important is they are all excellent at their jobs and hugely professional.

@frenchnoodle why do you think that? genuinely curious, not goady.

No. Remember Tony Blair and New Labour and the shit storm they caused for the entire world- destabilising the middle east for starters?

To answer the original question yes I am. I'm looking forward to the damage and scorched earth policy of destroying the public sector stopping - and things functioning rather than this wierd chaos that we are in right now.

The tories have shafted the country with brexit and the truss disaster.
I just know Labour will get the blame for some of the impact of that moving forward but at least life might feel a little brighter for a while!

We don't need to go as far as NZ to see that. One can just look at the policies of the current government, and those they associate with.
For example
Less education for girls so they have more babies.
Drugging your wife for a jape
Excusing a known sex pest and appointing them to a position of responsibility for pastoral welfare.

I clearly remember what good shape the NHS was in when Labour left power in 2010.

Thankfully NZ is turning the corner somewhat with a new gov

It was entirely captured with media, politicians and institutions before

It’s gone from left to right

Do you genuinely think the tories wouldn't have gone along with the US in those circumstances as well?

Like Starmer you mean? Or Reeves?

A higher proportion of Tory MPs voted for it than Labour MPs, so I think we all know the answer.

Not excited but I’ll be very very relieved when he hopefully wins

sunak was down the road from me today. He got the opposite of a warm welcome. And this is a Tory seat. Gives me hope.

But you claimed people were pro-tory.

That's not what I'm reading.

I'm reading people asking Labour to do better on this issue.

It is quite possible to be anti Tory and pro- women and to expect the Labour Party to advance women's rights.

Why don't you think so?

Err militarily, the Yanks did all of that, the UKs involvement was very minor, the US would have gone ahead regardless.

If you re genuinely concerned about destabilisation, look at what the UK, under Cameron, did in Libya?

The war the UK raged there is at the heart of much of Europes migration crisis, as Libya, now a failed state, is a gateway country for people traffickers into the EU.

No they had the wrong kind of careers.

Because if the natural disasters don't kill us power hungry leaders will. It'll happen sooner or later, I just hope it's quick.

And by the way whilst I am on the point - I wish companies would stop doing the 'identifies as he/she/him/her/it on people's signs offs ' really boils my piss - you don't have to be a Tory either for these things to irritate you - but if we can have a slightly more functioning society then I can live with it. By the way has anyone actually asked men how they feel about this- my H says he prefers male only spaces too - so actually men are having to lump it too - not all men are prospective rapists or flashers etc

Given the bill before parliament next week, I assume the government is back on the increasing migration bandwagon.

It's strange how anyone bringing up Iraq never mentions Libya. Iraq was a US offensive , yes the UK backed it on what in hindsight was very poor intelligence- but it was voted on and wasn't a unilateral PM decision.

Libya was under the Tory's

You're worried about taxes? You know we're living under highest tax burden in living memory right? Critical thinking not your thing?

Exactly!

I actually didn't realise how bad things could get under a tory govt - I genuinely never believed they'd be daft enough to risk us leaving the EU but there you go - they were!
The last Labour govt were not responsible for the global crash and Gordon browns policies were starting to lift the country out of that mess when the coalition got in and started to trash things with austerity!
Now labour have got to try and rebuild a country with huge debts and in a much weaker global position than it was when it lost power.
I cannot wait for Labour to win but I'm wary and not actually sure they will.
The Corbinite wing is gone though - they are no longer a threat to the Labour Party and corbin isn't even a Labour politician any more.

Maybe I'm a deluded fool (time will tell), but I don't think Labour will revert to supporting self ID. I think the potential dangers of self ID have been sufficiently exposed (thanks to all the efforts of the women lobbying about it) to make that unlikely. I would love Labour to make a stand on this, and it would be fair to say that they have been cowardly on the issue, but I understand why they have fudged it, to avoid it being seized upon by tories and Corbynistas alike and made into a massive shitstorm, distracting from Labour's laser focus on winning power to make desperately needed meaningful change.

I realise I might be wrong. I hope I'm not.