Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Sorry but your talking gibberish, i honestly don't speak some form of slang, so i don't under stand you at all.

Many people are grappling from day to day, trying to make ends meet, pay their rent or mortgage, get a doctor’s or dentist (lol) appointment, afford their fuel or food or childcare bills.

And this is how it happens. This is how womens rights have been able to be overlooked, destroyed. Everything is somehow more important. And like the boiling frog scenario, people are too busy looking at other things that all of a sudden, they lost rights and they don't even know when or how it happened.
Somehow, somewhere, we need to start prioritising womens basic human rights.

Because without that, women withdraw from participating in society. Women stay away from pools, womens facilities. Women stay away from places where they are no womens spaces. They restrict their fluids at work (as some have said on this board over the years) risking a UTI. They risk their emotional welbeing of being part of society. They risk their physical health. They avoid getting jobs. They risk their economic welbeing. They avoid going to hospital because of mixed wards. There is not one single area of society or womens health and social, physical, emotional welbeing that is not impacted by the Urinary Leash and by removing womens rights. It affects every single sector of society. It every single one. It is not therefore a 'single issue'. It is an issue of basic health and welfare standards for women.

Given how much the Tories have eroded sex based rights, in fact all kinds of rights, any vote for a party that means the Tories are more likely to lose the GE is a vote for sex based rights.

Oh you are funny. Some of us are able to do actual research from a wide range of sources.

Some of the FWR posts are strongly anti labour - surely even you can see that? I don't agree with all of them because I don't trust their sources on what labour are thinking.

And can you explain why you think a new Tory government post GE will support women in the way you want when this current Tory government haven't?

I think I am reading a different thread from you

perhaps you’re reading the thread that’s in your mind, rather than what’s actually been posted. An awful lot of posts many from the same poster that are proclaiming how awful things will be under a labour govt.

go on, have a look, all thirty bleeding one pages of it now, the same thing over and over again

there are infact a huge array of problems we now face in this country incase you hadn’t noticed

So it’s not hard to see that if posters are attacking labour, and starmer, they are pro the current govt. hth.

What an absolute load of baloney. 😂🤣😂
Why are the top 4 countries for women continuing to do so well on key indicators of Economic Participation and Opportunity, Educational Attainment, Health and Survival, and Political Empowerment if that were the case? how come they are still at the very top of the table?

Women are living their best lives in these very countries which you are implying should have gone to the dogs since introducing gender self-ID.

All you list very much concerns me, some of it though just isn't possible, whether tory or lab, e.g single sex care for the elderly?
My neighbour is cared for primarily by Indian male carers, pre Brexit she had eastern european carers and very nice they were too, i can't say the same about her current carers as their command of English is v poor, we have to try and translate for her, using Google, its a joke, she isn't happy but its that or nothing and its personal care too.

Where will Lab or Tory get female carers from?

Hospital single sex wards and staff? where from? both the buildings and the staff.

Not bothered by men in female sport, women are driving change with that themselves and rightly so (shouldn't have too, but the Cons have done nothing on the issues)

Most of the rest can be addressed with better funded public services.

Additional evidence can be found in other threads where the same posters also show their unyielding support for the current government.

I have to respect them for it, but have yet to hear an explanation as to why drugging your wife is a big of a jolly jape.

Oh me 😂 don’t be a coward with the cross out

I think you are anti women and will harm sex based rights so I guess we’re even 🤷‍♂️

You didn't learn your lesson the first time. Again, you are attempting to say the 4 top countries are doing well because they introduced gender self-ID. Those countries performances have nothing even remotely whatsoever to do with their policies on gender self-ID.

And, there is a big difference between middle to upper class womens privilege that drives these stats, and the poor working class women on the bottom, whose plight isn't shown in your 'stats'.

I have to respect them for it, but have yet to hear an explanation as to why drugging your wife is a big of a jolly jape

...and not a hint of criticism either.

Oh you are funny. Some of us are able to do actual research from a wide range of sources.

You’re easily amused, I can’t say I’m seeing a ‘wide range of sources’ evident. Where’s pro women that you rate?

As I’ve said in pp I would like the EqA to use biological sex definition as currently led by Kemi Badenoch

I know from a couple of TRAs they’re hoping Labour will get in before it happens as they’ll kill it, so maybe you’ll get your wish too and it’ll be gender ideology ahead

Women are silenced if they speak out for a start. Look at what happened when KJK went to speak in NZ - it looked very like state sanctioned violence against women. Not what I would call living my best life.

My daughter will have hugely invasive surgery later this year. There are 4 or 5 surgeons in the country with the skills to carry out that surgery.

That her surgeon is a hugely skillful and compassionate doctor, who can talk in a human way to both parents and patient about the risks of surgery is important. That he is a man is utterly irrelevant.

Sadly one of his talented colleagues retired early from the NHS due to government's consistent attacks on it, although does continue to use his skills to help support doctors in developing countries.

Ok I should have stuck the first time. 🤣😂🤣

Your comprehension and logic skills are shocking, and I imagine that is evident to most readers on this thread now 😁

Also NZ:

I am, the thought of getting rid of the Tories is very exciting. I'm looking forward to the return of boring competent politics. Starmer is a decent bloke. I like a lot of the Front Bench.

don’t be a coward

ooh is that an insult?

And think what you like, the electorate will too. Just saying, like.

Given that Kemi Badenoch is a member of the government, is there any explanation as to why what she wants hasn't been passed into law yet, or indeed even proposed in for instance the King's Speech?

You are the one who keeps linking the top 4 countries success with gender Self-ID. And attempts to deny it. Your posts are still on this thread for everyone to read. Where you continually like self-ID to the top 4 countries performances. Did you forget that? All your posts are still there for everyone to read. You're just making a fool of yourself at this point. Everyone here can see whose comprehension and logic skills are bad. I am proud for my posts to stand.

That's not a fair comparison. Wales may be devolved but it isn't in charge of its funding. It suits Westminster for Wales to fail.

I imagine many readers of this thread will have got bored of it going round in the same circle for page after page.

It is all a bit reminiscent of the threads where some posters were trying to explain the need for a 56year old to have a birthday party, but simaltaneously saying children shouldnt have them. Never did get to an answer to that either.

@jgw1 Absolutely, i wasn't implying men cannot make excellent careers, they can and do, more addressing the point raised that women should have the choice, which just isn't possible with an aging population, tbh prob never was, same with single sex wards.

Very much hope your daughters operation goes well, what an extremely worrying time for you.

I genuinely think the world is ending, so whoever is in power in these last years makes no difference to that.