Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

[roarrfeckingroar]

I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

At least if I am no help to women, I am well ahead of the Tories who are actively trying to downtrod women.

Goodness gracious me! How can something so simple be so unable to be understood? It's like some people on here don't realise Labour are a candidate for election! smh

What is your point? That we need to stick with the Tories because....?

Yep whomever you vote for dismissing it as ‘trans issues’ only harms women

It’s about women first

By jove I think you are right.
The Tories aren't seeking our votes, they have given up, quit, they don't want to be the government, probably many of them won't even bother standing at the next election.

What all 48,000 of them?

Women's rights are not an isolated issue, which is why it is essential that this is framed as women's rights rather than 'trans issues'.

If women include men with a piece of paper that makes them legal women then all aspects of life for women are affected.

This includes but is not limited to:

Single sex spaces/ toilets etc.
Women's refuges.
Women's chartities
The NHS and the way that women's health issues are dealt with
Employment/ equal pay.
Women's sport.
Women's scholarships at universities and women's prizes in commerce etc.
Women's prisons
The right for girls to have single sex dorms on school trips/ single sex double rooms at university.
Disabled and elderly single sex care for women.

Then there is the harm to children by an ideology that teaches them that they can be born wrong. This impacts all children but predominantly vulnerable or autistic children, see Cass review evidence.

So you can chose to see it as a 'single issue'.

Many women don't.

48,000 TRAs where did you get that from?

Are you only including GRC holders or something

You quoted a post with my name in it. Implying that I am a rich Tory voter. I am not.

because, having my superiors in charge means that I am know my place, and I like to doff my cap to them.

No, that is not my point at all! My point is Labour need to be held account for their policies. Even MORE SO than the tories since Labour is (or was) the natural home of feminism. So they should be held to much higher standards than tories. I've already said this further up thread. LABOUR are seeking government. Therefore, they need to explain to us what their beliefs are. There are people like me who could never vote tory but might see it as 'better the devil you know' if Labour's policies are not acceptable. Don't assume because I want the party and father (mother?) of feminism to be held to account for abandoning feminism and womens most basic of civil human rights, that that means I'd vote tory. There is such a thing as not voting at all. I think as a protest, women should abstain from voting and have such a low voter turnout. That would make both the major parties sit up and take notice.

No - to be at the peak of my career having worked my butt off and saved carefully, the thought of being hit with a 50% + tax rate fills me with dread.

Their ideas are fanciful and unaffordable - which is exactly why we ended up with tory austerity in the first place
Time to emigate

I did nothing of the sort.
I was simply replying to the question you asked. Earlier there was an awful fuss on this thread because someone else answered a question and not me.

@lifeturnsonadime I agree but I really do not buy the argument that the Tories support women's rights and Labour is on the side of the Trans movement.

That issue is one which is problematic in a lot of countries as well as the UK.

I have autistic girls who will be better off with a government who doesn't keep shitting on disabled people from a great height.

Not seeing sex based women's rights as the main electoral issue doesn't automatically make you a TRA.

Good that you agree.

I don't think that the Tories support women. I haven't said that I do.

I do think that LABOUR should act to support women. Why won't they?

Apparently I am a TRA communist, republican, american, coward.

I must have almost as many personalities as Shapps.

Eh?

For the same reason that Starmer said that he doesn't know what socialism is?

I posted too soon.
Both of my kids are autistic. I agree.

But that's why I think that Labour should do MORE to protect autistic children, as it is he is indicating that he will make transition easier.

I agree, most aren't TRAs they just want the Tories out and are ignoring the fact that this is the ideal time to put the opposition party at task on this issue.

Women's rights are not an isolated issue, which is why it is essential that this is framed as women's rights rather than 'trans issues'.

But is it the only issue?

judging by the pro government supporters on this thread, it seems yes.

With the electorate, no, I think.

Many people are grappling from day to day, trying to make ends meet, pay their rent or mortgage, get a doctor’s or dentist (lol) appointment, afford their fuel or food or childcare bills.

Some days I write screeds, hoping someone will read it and get the gist. Other days not so much.

Starmer didnt mean transmen, cos they women innit.
We over on fwr and some notable sheros are having minor success with taking this government to task. We got a review into what schools are teaching in sex ed, prison rules looked at, he casts review due out soon I hope. Small wins for sure, but wins.

When labour get in, we will have to start again at a disadvantage. Starmer has not hidden his ideas, self Id for anyone. "Safe spaces" for women, no definition of safe. He cant define a woman (someone will be along and say he did define a woman, he said 'adult female' , didnt specify a species) so some women will no longer be allowed out, many will have a urinary leash imposed.
Girls will no longer have sport,

Oh you know what, I said it earlier in the thread.

I TOLD YOU SO.

Where are the pro-government supporters?

I think I am reading a different thread from you.

Most posters on here are putting the opposition to task to do it's job.