Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

[roarrfeckingroar]

I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Ok back to ‘trans issue’ not so much sex based rights

And in your view Starmer won’t deliver on it but fine

@lifeturnsonadime nobody is silencing anyone. However, there is no reasonable person that votes for a party based upon one isolated issue.

Not when the NHS is on its knees and schools are underfunded.

keir cervix starmer

About sums him up yep

It's called phalloplasty and it is abuse imo. How medics get away with this I shall never know.

Wait - you don’t know what Tufton Street is but think you can spot activists? How, if you don’t know where many of them come from? Or enough about politics to have basic general knowledge?

Which lies are you refering to?

Let me try to make a parallel...

If you have a teacher who has consistently over the years implemented teaching that has achieved the best outcomes for students across all subjects, compared to a 2nd teacher who has implemented a different style of teaching that has achieved less satisfactory results for their students - who would choose to teach students going forward, and who would you trust most in their decision making?

I think most people would choose the first, as they have demonstrated a good track record of decisions on teaching and achieving outcomes for their students.

Now they might make a decision on maths teaching that is in no way directly causative to the increased achievements of students studying French, but because they have demonstrated consistently good overall decision-making they have created an overall environment that is conducive to the attainment and well-being of all.

And this plays out in the league table, as that teacher's students continue to have the best outcomes in French and in maths.

No causation between the maths decision and the French performance outcome required. Just good decision making in general at the top.

That is what, I believe, these countries are doing...they have great track records for women and I don't believe they are all suddenly making bad decisions that will massively adversely affect women, and the global gender gap report certainly doesn't bear this out.

Maybe they didn't get the sarcasm?

You are mistaken.
The last 14 years have seen hugely successful government, they have fulfilled their most important aims.
Those who are already so rich they have more money than anyone could possibly need have got much richer, some of them, have bought themselves places in our legislature. Those the Tories govern for are completely happy.

You just don't get it, do you? You just don't get it. It is NOT 'trans issue', it is a WOMENS RIGHTS issue. Men entering womens safe spaces, whether they identify as men, or identify as women. It's a matter of MEN. Not 'trans'. Because we have no problem with trans men (women) in our spaces.

This should prove to you the issue is about Males. Men, in womens spaces. Regardless of how they identify. It's about womens rights. Trans is irrelevant to the issue. The only place they are relevant in the discussion is when men (transwomen) enter our spaces. It's about males. Men. Other than that, trans people are not relevant to the discussion.

I guess my jokes aren't as amusing as the Home Secretary's.

The poster you responded to doesn’t care. She’s too worried about paying her bills. Like millions of other people.

And still they come these blinkered posters. Accusing women who are angry with the Tories (and angrier with Labour because of the betrayal) of being rich Tories who care nothing for women's rights.
Most of us are Left wing! Most of us used to vote Labour! How many fucking times do we need to say this?

Those who are already so rich they have more money than anyone could possibly need have got much richer, some of them, have bought themselves places in our legislature. Those the Tories govern for are completely happy.

Exactly right. Some of them are here, right now pretending they're going to carry on voting them in because of female spaces.

The way that the Conservatives run things is no accident. They stand for the few, not the many.

Yeah, how dare a thing like facts such as men have more privilege in all areas than women do, enter the debate?

Don't women like myself know that if a man dons a dress, (penis, testicles, privilege, strength etc and all) all of a sudden women are more privileged than he is? Wow.

Yep well said, at least say you don’t give a shit about women’s sex based rights and use the right term.

This is exactly why I will continue to vote Tory. They know that men should have more priviledge than woman, and that is how it should be. Which is why it is a jolly good jape if a man wants to drug his wife a little.

At one time marital rape was legal. As the saying goes, the law is an ass. Just because it's legal, doesn't make it right.

I think you have found the Tory party position on the issue.

@SoreAndTired1 you don't need to patronise me, thanks. I don't need to be schooled in problems with the trans movement and how it's eroding women's rights.

Why exactly is it so relevant on a thread about who the next government will be? You are the one who doesn't get it!! The Tories despise women.

That is a different discussion, is it perhaps one you would like to have?

We coulld include in the discussion consideration of why all the major UK political parties hold the same position on continuing with the status quo.

I think we’ve seen many posters views on the issue.

It’s brilliant you’re trying so hard for TRAs but it’s no help to women

Then perhaps you could refer to it as womens rights, and not 'trans rights' or 'trans issue'.

@MyopicBunny Why exactly is it so relevant on a thread about who the next government will be?

You really don't get it. Because LABOUR are seeking our vote to form government.

Goodness gracious me! How can something so simple be so unable to be understood? It's like some people on here don't realise Labour are a candidate for election! smh

I didn't refer to it as trans rights though did I? I referred to it as the trans issue.

by which I meant

The issue of the trans movement eroding women's rights.

Are you telling me how I'm allowed to set out my views now? 😂