Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

It's always the wealthy women on here who don't see womens rights as an issue.

What a load of nonsense.

I want Starmer to do the right thing by women and children because I'm the mother of an autistic girl, the kind of girl who is particularly vulnerable to this 'born in the wrong body' nonsense that is being fed to children.

I have never voted Tory in my life.

I am by no means rich and have been involved in volunteering/ fund raising for various women's charities including Homestart.

But do carry on with your judgemental nonsense.

It is NOT WRONG for any woman to put Labour to point on this issue. We can't protect women if we can't define them. It is essential that the opposition party has a clear pro- woman stance otherwise women won't matter under ANY Government.

I have no idea why you can't comprehend this!

@SoreAndTired1 I think it is wealthy women who think the Conservatives are better for women's rights.
The rest of us are busy trying to feed our kids and know that growing poverty has pushed women into staying in violent relationships, into crime, and prostitution.

Star,er has given the definition adult human female. What more do you want?

Pretending to believe that men are actually women if they wear lipstick is what I would call a 'luxury' belief. And it's rich liberal women falling over themselves to affirm this ridiculous nonsense because as the poster above says, they do not think that they could ever be in a situation where this could affect them. They are not poor, they are not Muslim, they are not ill, they are not seeking to escape and abusive partner.
So actually it it YOU who has twisted the reality of the situation or, being kind, don't really understand what you are supporting.

And fwiw I have voted Labour all of my life pretty much but I left the party when Corbyn appeared and nothing about the current LP makes me want to rejoin.
Stop assuming that anyone who criticises the LP's stance on women's rights is a Tory - most of us are pissed off Labour voters.

I'm not a Labour supporter. They don't stand in my constituency.

I am a working class, middle aged, feminist woman and the Tories have wrecked my country and my rights. They are dangerous to women. And anyone who thinks they'll do right by women next term is either deluded or ignorant of what they've done in their 14years in power and their ability to spin on a sixpence on the Trans issue.

Single issue voter? The SDP or Reform UK are the parties for you. Not the Tories.

but who has said they think this?

I certainly haven't!

Just because the conservatives are poor shouldn't be an excuse for the Labour Party to act badly.

Women's rights should not be the throw away item. Labour voters want better public services and will put the labour party to task on that, why not women's rights too?

It happened under the Tories.

@lifeturnsonadime Starmer has said a woman is an adult human female. What do you want?

So surely the opposition will reverse it?

If not , why not?

the meaning of adult human female not to include men with a Gender Recognition Certificate.

Which it currently does, and will continue to do under the Labour Government who want to make it easier for men to get one.

@lifeturnsonadime and what do you want from the conservatives?

We know they didn't matter to the Tories who locked male rapists and sex offenders up with them. We also know the Tories don't give a shit about poor or vulnerable women.

They don't even give a shit about their own workers and members who've been sexually assaulted and raped by male Tories.

nothing.

I want Labour to win the election.

I ALSO want Labour to be put to task on the women's rights issue.

Same. Starmer using that wording and pp saying he’s done enough. It isn’t, it still includes males

Because it’s of no importance to the vast majority of the population and there are bigger issues.

Do you think those surveyed understand that some men are legally women because they hold a piece of paper that says so?

Do you think they are fully aware of all of the issues.

You now are, do you care?

Feminism is of the left. It came from the left. Labour was the natural home of feminism. So naturally they should be held to a higher standard than the tories, especially as they are the ones seeking our vote. They are appealing to the public to be elected to govern. Therefore, the onus is on them to explain their position on womens rights, and explain why they have abandoned feminism as a core signature issue. They are the ones seeking office. The Tories never pretended to be for women.

It is completely outrageous but 56 MPs are under investigation for sexual assault - they are not all Tories.

This is a man issue rather than just a Tory issue.

And if women were given Womens Rights as an option to pick, perhaps they would have picked that. But of course, most people don't present it as an option in polls, hence women don't know what is happening and assume their rights aren't an issue.

I feel that no one represents me.

I want the Tories out.. for a very long time, but I'm unsure about Labour.

LibDems are my usual go-to but they're not enamouring me either.

I'd like bits of the Left, bits of the Right and a few bits from the middle.

Think I might vote Monster Raving Loony... at least they predicted the end of school milk! ( back in the day, amongst others!)

Precisely this. And whenever it is raised in polls it is always framed as trans rights NOT women's rights.
It is also never explained that 90% of TW retain their penis. Answers to polls change quite quickly when people are armed with the facts.

I imagine the list was as a result of a free choice by those polled - it seems unlikely that pollsters would include potholes.

I want to have enough money to not worry about bills. That is more of an immediate impact for most people.
I know MN seems to have a wealthy demographic with all the people claiming not being able to manage on high salaries, but most of us just want to be able to put the heating on in cold days like today.

It depends what’s asked

Men in female sports or changing rooms, or can you change sex

Isla Bryson a good example of political pressure