Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Thank you for the clarification.
I was worried you were posting what I wanted for a while.

Well let's have a discussion then about how much those women's sex based rights have been eroded over the past 13 years and then use facts to examine which party is least likely to continue that erosion.

I also need to add that there is a high chance the next leader of the Tories will be full on TWAW believer and one of the cheif architects who rollled Tory TRA policies out, Penny Mordaunt.

I mean we all know Sunak will be gone just after the GE.

Is now a good time to ask which deputy Prime Minister thought that misogyny against both men and women was a bad thing?

Excellent post.

You can’t increase wages or develop new services with PFI.

as we know that transwomen, as a demographic, have poorer levels of health, educational attainment, economic participation and opportunity, and political empowerment relative to non trans people.

What in the actual??? Do you actually believe the rubbish you write? Trans women are the most POWERFUL, privileged and protected group there is. They also have Male Privilege, which they were born with and never lose. So they'd increase it. I cannot believe you are so gullible and uninformed to think men (transwomen) are worse off than actual women that have no privilege and all the political, economic, health and educational oppression. 50 times that of men (transwomen).

Vote for who you want. But yes if you want a discussion FWR is a good place to start. Like I said mn is one of the few places that allow it to the extent it does

That you see it as ‘anti Labour’ than informed is more likely your political bias

Whatever. But those who refuse to read beyond a Labour echo chamber can’t complain when sex based rights go down the drain under Starmer

If you can see that that will happen and still vote for Starmer, up to you, but better than the posts re the impossibility of even reading FWR for whatever reason as some have stated

Are other sources The Guardian out of interest?

Trans people constitute 0.05% of the population. I’d bet my house that trans women have less privilege than those who castigate them.

I agree with this ^

Single spaces or single sex spaces?

Ok we shall break this down a little.

Do you do any sports? Are you happy to do your sport with males?
When all the males have taken over your sport what will you do?
If any of those males seriously injure one of your female friends, how will you feel? What happens to womens sports I wonder when not a single woman will play.

You end up in prison, for reasons, your ok to be locked up with rapists? I'm actually gonna assume here that your not ok with that. Who would be ok with that? But it's ok for other women? In your world.

You have a terrible serious injury from playing sports with males, you now require personal care. Your ok with a man changing your pad/tampon? Washing you, changing your nappy? But in your world that's ok for other women and girls.

While in hospital trying to recover from your terrible serious injuries, you are raped, you are told you cannot have been raped because there are no men on your ward. You are gaslighted about this for a year, then you are told a transwomen was in fact on your ward, you were raped.

You get to court for your rape, you lucky woman. You are told, badgered even to call your rapist "she", as you cannot possibly remember each and every time you mention this "Male looking" woman you are punished in that same court.

Female children in school will never know what a woman only space is. They will be denied single sex toilets, they are denied girl guides. Wherever they go outside of school, men like Eddie Suzy izzard could be there, probably will be there.

But it's all ok because it's not you or anyone you know.

Good to see how wonderfully this government looks after women’s sex based rights.

https://x.com/CrimeLineLaw/status/1743172643824529874?s=20

What about vulnerable women who need a women only shelter? Or end up in a cell with a rapist in prison? Do they not matter?

So you think that what the Tories have allowed to happen here is a shitshow - I agree. Why then support the Labour Party, many of whom are full on TRAs?

You are completely deluded if you think that ANY party can do away with the need for women's single sex spaces and prisons.

Given that they will always be needed I'd rather women be safe.

I’m not looking forward to it at all, it will mean major additional expenditure for us (VAT on school fees). With the best will in the world, this is not something I can describe myself as ‘excited’ about 😭

While in hospital trying to recover from your terrible serious injuries, you are raped, you are told you cannot have been raped because there are no men on your ward. You are gaslighted about this for a year, then you are told a transwomen was in fact on your ward, you were raped

The incident that the above is referencing was so fucking shocking that my husband didn't believe it had happened until I showed him the proof. Just horrendous and shows how much the NHS has been captured.

Absolutely. Just when women were starting to make some headway a few men put on a dress and lippy and claimed to be 'the most oppressed'.

Also of course, they don’t know what a woman is. Double 😭

Transmen we only ever hear of when they do the most female thing in the world and have a baby.

Transwomen we hear a great deal from...now why on earth could that be? 🤔

Because of our sex-based oppression, @AllTheScoresOnAllTheDoors , we will NEVER eliminate the need for hostels for women. So if we take your advice, nothing will ever be done! We can walk and chew gum at the same time. I'd rather work to make sure women are SAFE in these hostels and womens spaces, than throw up my hands like you are and doing nothing.

As men, transwomen have twice the privilege of actual woman. Male Privilege, and the privilege of being the most powerful and protected group there is in society. Saying a man in dress has less privilege than a woman is a deeply offensive sick joke.

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What about vulnerable women who need a women only shelter? Or end up in a cell with a rapist in prison? Do they not matter?

You just completely twisted my words and you know it. The FWR issue is a disingenuous attempt for women who are not impacted by poverty to pretend that they vote Tory because of FWR when it's really because they are just looking out for themselves. They certainly don't care about poor, single mothers or those in prison.

You are being disingenuous. A lack of facilities for women affects poor women far more than middle class women who can choose to work at home or not work, use their own toilets, never be abused or go to prison. 'Trans rights' is a middle to upper class first world issue. Womens basic civil human rights is an issue that affects the poor the MOST. Women who don't take womens issues seriously do so because they are privileged middle/upper class and can't see any of these things happening to them, because their money and position protects them. That is why poor and working class women like myself and others fight hard for other women in our class.