Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

I must have missed the part where I praised the Tories?

please can you find that for me?

this is the problem with a political system with two main parties.

The fact we have to put up and shut up about losing women’s rights as a result, according to some on this thread is mind blowing. Those women who fought to get us rights must be turning in their graves.

I've learnt over the years, that ultimately you'll never be able to change people's minds on their political leanings, despite presenting infallible evidence that contradicts their steadfast beliefs

'Course people change their minds, die hard Tories voted Labour in 1997 and die hard labourites voted Tory in 2019.

Some people have changed their minds on Brexit too.

I've voted for all the main parties inc Greens & if the Labour manifesto said we plan on getting rid of womens rights, they wont get my vote either.

But many of us are not actually Labour fans. I personally have always voted labour except for tactical reasons but I know many other people on here haven't. They just want to GTTO. Who can blame them after the last 13 years?

I should add I have spent a lot of time in the last couple of years on the FWR boards - we don't all keep the same name for all our posts. I am very much a fan of safe spaces for women. I just don't see the Tories doing anything better for women than labour. In fact quite the opposite.

I didn't specifically say you did.

Where have Labour said they'll remove female rights?

We ve 13 years of evidence of what the Tories have done to womens rights, doesn't that matter to you?

Absolutely I am not the same as a man who had paid for a piece of paper which states that he is a woman!

People can dress as they please and love who they want but this harmful anti woman nonsense needs to stop.

If Labour truly cared about the country & wanted to be in power, they could change their policies to support those rights, & be guaranteed a victory

I honestly don't think that Labour's stance on trans issues is what most voters will base their choice on. It is not an election deciding issue for most people.

Do you mean single (biological) sex spaces, ‘safe spaces’ doesn’t mean much

You spend time on FWR and you think Starmer and Labour are better on sex based rights?

There are a few that take that stance, but most can evidence why it’s not the case

Oh please 🙄. We are about to walk into a general election which Labour will win but we shouldn’t ask questions about women’s rights of THEM?

my question to you is why do you think they, as the opposition party, care so little about women and harms to children that they won’t reverse the laws on this?

you expect them to fix health and other public services why not this?

@EasternStandard this is a discussion board and quoting posters is one of the ways it works.

You seem to have an issue with this and take it very personally accusing posters of being tiresome or overinvested in your posts. If Mnet is tiresome to you or triggers your anxiety/paranoia perhaps it's time to take a break. Making accusations and scolding other users for using the site in accordance with guidelines is really not on.

I believe women should have single sex safe spaces in situations where they are needed.

I am capable of spending time on FWR and not being brainwashed into thinking labour will sell women down the drain.

Echo chambers eh?

'Course people change their minds, die hard Tories voted Labour in 1997 and die hard labourites voted Tory in 2019.

People may have changed their votes but that doesn’t mean they changed their minds. They just switched their vote to whatever party reflects their already deeply held beliefs. That evidences what pp is saying really.

Brexiters still were Brexiters they just voted for whichever party they thought was most likely to get it done. They didn’t change their minds.

Odd you do this often speaking of invested. Try not to get so involved

If a poster moans about a topic coming up why quote

Yes they can try and I can say jog on or similar and not answer

Moaning about it isn’t my issue, maybe don’t bother posting this stuff as you’re imagining stuff for little reason

Yes I’m sure you are pro Labour despite spending time on FWR, but you are less likely to back up your claims on there

@jgw1 I'm not sure Keir mentioned the law. He stated that it was transphobic to say that only a woman could have a cervix while at the Labour conference. Do you agree with this statement?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-trans-rights-duffield-b1927169.html

you are suggesting that because the Tories are similar women should not put these questions to Labour.

I’m not. I’m suggesting those questions should be addressed to both.

I for one will not vote based on a 'single' issue - that got us Brexit, Johnson et al .

I cannot think of anything the Tory's have done to turn any of your concerns around- therefore if Labour do little different too, we will be at the status quo but on other issues there will be a difference.

Is that because you think only one opinion is allowed?

@AllTheScoresOnAllTheDoors I know how you feel- my father in law pissed me off over the NY with regards to the doctors strike saying well if they don't like the money, leave and go to the private sector- that's really going to help things!!

This was a guy who voted leave and these days says 'it was all crap (Brexit) but I didn't vote. He most certainly did as I remember discussing this the day after the referendum.

I still want a direct answer to a simple question on biological males in single sex spaces

It seems like you are trying to derail this thread and it's quite annoying.

I don't believe for one minute it will be any better but I certainly can't give my vote to the Tories (I have before) as we know for sure that they've let us down in the worst way possible. We at least have to give labour a chance to not fuck us over

No it’s because posters are really good at refuting political claims with evidence on FWR and Starmer doesn’t fare well against that.

I'm pretty sure some who pop on here on political threads have some kind of Tufton st role and are advised that todays 'propaganda ' subject is xxxx (gender, immigration, tax) whatever!! Basically to keep planting stuff in the floating voters , because they have little they can campaign on in a positive way-

What do you think of the fact that the top 4 performing countries in the world for women, as measured by the Global Gender Gap Index, also have policies of gender self-ID?

https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-gender-gap-report-2023/

🤷‍♂️ scroll past rather than quote a post from ages ago

It seems you can’t help but do this even though you are busting to talk about another topic

Go on then I’m not stopping you knock yourself out.

I know my post is the most interesting but read others

Idk Are you paid by Labour?

I take it FWR has passed you by too. Maybe all the women posting are paid.

And JKR, Sharron Davies, Maya Forstator and Baroness Falkner

Fucking hell lucky it’s not down to you eh? Don’t say a word..