Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

jgw1 - I couldn't care less what his parents named him but it still doesn't make him a woman does it, no matter what his name is. He is a male whether he wants to be known as Eddie, Charles, Shirley, Susie or whatever. He is a man. Not a she but he.

To be fair the trans issue

Women’s sex based rights to those that care..

To me one of the bonuses of a potential Labour government will be Badenoch removed from any position of power for some time.

I am incorrect that Sunak is Prime Minister?

That would explain why Sunak said just yesterday that his working assumption is that the next GE will be in the 2nd half of the year. Since it is for the PM to decide when an election is held and he isn't PM, he couldn't possibly know any more than you or I about when that election will be.

No one asked you about the law @jgw1

You were asked about men and cervixes. And have refused to answer while obfuscating.

Since the answer depends upon the law, then they did indeed ask me what the law was.

Now if that was not the simple question they wanted to ask, they could try asking a different question.

Unfortunately @AllTheScoresOnAllTheDoors this is what happens when people try to bend reality and tell you men can be women because of the way they feel.

Is she?

We want transgender people to be free to live and to prosper in modern Britain.

Those that responded to the Gender Recognition Act consultation asked for a simplified and centralised process, which is why I am delighted to launch this improved service today.

This government will continue to prioritise initiatives that can improve the lives of LGBT people across the country.

The new online service has been carefully developed and rigorously tested with trans people to ensure that it meets the needs of applicants and removes the barriers highlighted in the consultation. With this in mind, the guidance has been simplified and the process made more transparent and less bureaucratic.

Kemi Badenoch 2022 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gender-recognition-application-modernised

Wow @jgw1 please tell me you're running for a seat in the next election. Your what aboutery and word salad skills are next level.

Why quote me then moan it’s talked about on this thread?

Do you want to discuss it or not

Kemi Badenoch who would like to get rid of ‘superfluous’ teaching assistants?

I cannot wait for her to be out of government.

Have I missed something? I was asked a question, I explained the answer to it, with reference to relevant information. That the answer displeases one or two posters who seem to obsess over my answer is not my fault.

The law as I and others have said is quite clear.

We do link to other sources. Even the grauniad on occasion (usually to point out whatever every other news source is printing is for some inexplicable reason missing in the graun.

Be our guest, come to the dark side. See how our arguments stack up or dont stack up.

That's your interpretation of what I said. You are of course entitled to interpret it as you wish. I'm not under any obligation to explain it.

I think repeated waffle on mn is more their thing

Yep, this is where I'm at too. I do care very much about issues around sex based rights and protections but I couldn't possibly vote Conservative (or abstain from voting) on that one issue, important though it is, when they have wrought such terrible damage to our society during their tenure.

No I’m not excited and I’m disappointed with the Labour Party that I feel this way.

it should not be too much to ask for Labour to care enough about women to unequivocally state that they will repeal the GRC and enshrine women’s rights to single sex spaces in law.

They are the opposition party, they can see full well the ill effects of the GRC and the harms that extreme gender ideology is doing to women and vulnerable children.

if they had any interest in treating women as equal to men & protecting vulnerable Children from the harmful belief that a person can be born wrong, then they would state so. Why don’t they?

And any one coming back saying but the Tories is simply trying to shut down conversation. That’s undemocratic.

Labour need to understand that they can make changes. Why don’t they?

@jgw1 ok, I'll bite.

You were asked if you agreed with Starmer's view that men can have cervixes (appreciate he's now updated his viewpoint as we approach the GE). So, that's the question. Not what the law says. Do you personally think a man can have a cervix?

No. I don't know what he stands for and what his policies are.
The fact he did not support a ceasefire is a big No for me.

I think repeated waffle on mn is more their thing

.. and insults from @Lonelycrab theirs 😂

I value my low blood pressure too much. If the ambassadors they send here are the best they’ve got I’d be apoplectic in minutes.

I’m glad I didn’t bother responding to your earlier post

The feeling is mutual god knows why you quote me so often

it should not be too much to ask for Labour to care enough about women to unequivocally state that they will repeal the GRC and enshrine women’s rights to single sex spaces in law.

Yet you give the Tories a free pass to take exactly the same stance.