Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Yep I can see people are keen, you included I’m guessing

I still want a direct answer to a simple question on biological males in single sex spaces

Is it not a little harsh on goons to compare them to a cabinet that includes Shapps and Cleverly?

Are you going to ask the simple question then?

Let’s see if anyone is clued up to ask a Labour politician and get a straight answer

Happily we’ve moved the dial a bit on sex based rights, no thanks to you and others

What's the simple question you would like to ask?

Yes or no is what they’re after. Scroll back and check all you like.

@2dogsandabudgie asked ages ago. You could have typed yes or no by now

Adult female what?

Again he doesnt answer.

If he means adult human female, then say it. Bit like the ridiculous "safe spaces" he comes out with a lot. What does a safe space for women look like? If he means single sex spaces, then bloody say so. Words used to have meaning.
As he also thinks a fair chunk of females have a penis then neither safe or single sex spaces will be safe or single sex.

I shall, repeat myself. Yes I do know what the law says.
Additionally it was helpfully refered to by an earlier poster, would you like me to repost it?

@2dogsandabudgie is still waiting… yes or no to their question

As I understand it the law says that a female can have a penis.
This law is presumably supported by the government that has been in power for 13 years, otherwise they would have changed it.
If of course they the government wants to do one of its famous flip flops they could still change the law in this parliament, there is time.

jasflowers - Who are you talking about in your post in the last paragraph when you refer to "she", because you mention Izzard in previous paragraphs but you also mention a pp.

See this is why it's confusing when you get men who can't decide whether they want to be male or female. I have no problem with Eddie Izzard wearing make up, women's clothes etc if that's what makes him happy but that doesn't make him a woman, he still has a penis, therefore he is not a she and never will be and I don't want him in women's toilets or women's changing rooms.

Too damn right. Spot on @Crikeyalmighty.

Am I viewed as some kind of oracle?
Why do I need to state what the law says when someone earlier in the thread did?

If instead of being called Eddie their parents had called them Charlie woulld that make things clearer?

Here it is..

Since scrolling is as hard as the answer

It seems a single word yes or no breaks the Labour autoplay

As a Welsh person I'm no fan of either the Cardiff or the Westminster government right now, but I find Labour scarier.

For one thing, we now have compulsory sex and relationships education (no parental right of withdrawal) from age three, put in place by people who think Stonewall and Mermaids are the good guys. And of course by a government (the Welsh government, that is) headed by someone who certainly didn't teach his own child about these things very well, though we're not supposed to mention that. If Boris Johnson's child were a rapist, I wonder how quiet the press would be about it?

To be honest I'm happy to pay more tax if it means better health and other public services. There are not enough people contributing enough. But I think there are a lot of people who think that Labour will get in and everything will miraculously work without us putting our hands in our pockets. It can't work like that. I think it's disingenuous of Labour to say things like that but also talk about improving services without saying where the money will come from. There is no magic money tree.

Thank you that is most kind.

As a previous poster explained the law is quite clear on the subject a man with a GRC that says they are a woman is a woman.

Presumably Starmer and Sunak both believe in the rule of law and so agree that, that is the case. Sunak of course being the leader of the governing has (and had for 13 years) the opportunity to change the law if he does not like it.

I hope that helps.

I‘m as amused by the cowardice around a simple yes or no answer as I am Starmer's similar inability and cowardice

100% spot on analysis. I agree with everything you said.

People can't afford to eat, pensioners are freezing g to death in unheated homes, mental health services are shockingly inadequate, there aren't enough affordable homes so tent cities are on the rise, nhs waiting lists are growing daily, people are getting ill with the stress of daily living ..... Yet posters want to concentrate on the " trans issue". It's ludicrous.

Ok, Ok, Yes the law says a man can have a cervix, and a woman a penis.

Sunak as Prime Minister has the ability to change that law and hasn't done so and appears to have no intention of doing so.

To be fair the trans issue is more interesting than But Jeremy Corbyn, or Keir had a Beer.

I disagree with Rishi Sunak's views on so many things - whether or not actual laws should be broken by hime and his mates during a public crisis, who should be taxed and when, what should be done with people coming to the UK for asylum, how we should decide which companies public money should be invested in, how disabled people should be treated, how much we should invest in education, and many many more things - that I'm actually prepared to have a real conversation with Kier Starmer and anyone else about the cervix thing after this infection of pustulence we currently call a government has been voted out. OUT.

😬 I can see why you promote Starmer as you do, how many posts.. But still incorrect on the latter

Kemi is currently looking at changing EqA so it’s biological sex definition and those legally female with penis males will be excluded from single sex spaces