Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

[roarrfeckingroar]

I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Have those posters explained why they support a government that think it is a bit of a giggle to give date rape drunks to your wife?

Nope, already an additional rate taxpayer, not excited about paying even more, and nothing getting any better.

And the fact that women’s rights will be stomped all over, no excitement, just dread.

There are no good options.

I’m sure you will vote Labour, promote Labour and keep going as you are.

Go for it. You don’t need to convince me I know how committed you are already.

If you do want to know more on the topic FWR has great posters who will inform you

The global financial crash didn't even start here and would probably have been avoided had the US bailed out Lehmans.

It was Global, sorry but i do get fed up with people blaming Johnson for Covid, sure he could have done things differently but like the GFC, we and everyone else got hit in more or less the same way.

austerity did for the UK, needed for 3 or 4 years but not a decades worth, its effecting everything now.

Clutching at straws with that one, i'd be more worried about the Tories deregulating the city following Brexit.

Have those posters explained why they support a government that think it is a bit of a giggle to give date rape drunks to your wife?

Not sure @jgw1 but I do think you still owe @2dogsandabudgie an actual answer to their question from yesterday. Not a politician's answer like the one you already gave.

It doesn’t need to start here for risk exposure to be a factor, obviously

I have no faith in any party right now because the calibre of most politicians is dreadful. We need a shit hot industrial strategy for the whole country, one that would truly level up and one that is not based on a service based economy.

The idea that Conservatives are a right wing party is nonsense. Highest taxes, spending and immigration levels than ever before.

GFC affected pretty much all of the worlds developed economies.

Somethings are just out of control of Governments, financial markets are risky by their very nature.

fwiw i don't know how i will vote, will depend on local polling nearer the time, what about you? Conservative or Reform?

The idea that Conservatives are a right wing party is nonsense. Highest taxes, spending and immigration levels than ever before

Italy has high taxes and high immigration, do you think Meloni is a centralist or far right?

We actually have low taxes, below average for developed economies.

Lol no Starmer vote after all these Labour posts bloody hell poor guy

I’ll vote for whomever I want and you are pretty much the last person I’d share that with 😬

Having you quote me endlessly is tiresome enough

You are mistaken.
The Tories have fulfilled their mission. They have greatly increased the wealth of those who have more money than anyone could possibly need.
For this we should be grateful. I will continue to doff my cap to my superiors and vote for them, because I know my place.

It hasn't. Schools will be able to back claim VAT for several years once their VAT status changes, this will cost the Treasury millions.

It's pure politics of envy and everyone knows it works. Like the landlord bashing works.

Its a public forum, you can quote me until the cows come home, its not against MN rules.

Oh i think we all know where your vote will go.

Melons has only recently been elected. Unlike our current government who have presided over tax increases and massively increased immigration.

Melons

Excited?!! They don't have any policies and they don't know (or respect) what a woman is. No excitement from me.

And if we have low taxes, why did Starmer suggest Labour would reduce them if they got in?

Ha ha I think Sunak may have been rather attracted to Meloni

We have tax increase and migration due to incompetence, rather than not being "right wing"

Oh I know you are more invested in my vote than your own children

I can’t say I return the favour.

Do as you want

They are not right wing, it's impossible for them to be so with all their one nation Conservatives. They are mildly centre right.

In the past there was a clear blue divide between Conservative and Labour. Think Thatcher and Kinnock.

Didn't know he did?

Other than Inheritance tax, which hasn't changed yet.

Starmer seems to be keen on growing the economy, lets see how he plans to do that in their Manifesto.

Hmm, looking at media reports it seems he suggested it and then said not yet.

Previous to 2016, i'd have agreed with you, but BJ got rid of so many one nation Tories.

On Thatcher, people like Heseltine and Clarke (Thatcher loyalists) think the current party is too far to the right.

Sunak went to a far right grouping of European right wing parties, inc AfD, and RN, he and Meloni were very close and agreed on more and closer working together.

Its always worth remembering that the centre isn't fixed.

@suggestionsplease1
presumably countries with self ID will have biological men in their women’s stats which will skew the results. How can they reliably say that outcomes for women are good when we don’t know how many of those women are actually men?

I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect Labour or any other party to reveal the fine details of their policies until much closer to polling day, which could be another 9 months away according to Sunak.

Besides, a lot can happen in that time, although one thing I’m expecting the Tories (and their media) to do is use any means possible to whip up anger and division in an attempt to scrape through.

What a way to run a country…