Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

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You have a bus service?

Like I said London has the great advantage of a much better public transport network than the rest of the country.

My point is that in this general election not voting for Labour will be a vote for Tory whoever you actually vote for, unless you happen to be in Brighton Pavilion or the few LD areas.

Being willing to talk to staff in the NHS about their terms and conditions would improve the NHS for starters, not exactly a difficult thing to achieve.

If private schools were able to give bursary support, is that not a clear indication that they are already overcharging?

The intersting thing about this discussion is over the past few years private school rolls have risen (not entirely surprising with the defunding of state education by the government) at the same time private fees schools have risen by much more than the proposed VAT increase, but of course it is VAT that is the problem.

They will be inheriting such a mess that it will take a long time to even make a dent in it. However at least they won't be handing billions to their mates and will make a start at actually doing something for the country.

For the avoidance of further confusion. TPS is an unfunded pension scheme. Employer and employee pension contributions go into the same pot in the Treasury as taxes. Given that the vast majority of teachers and their employers are state employed and paid for by our taxes, it is just circling money around the Treasury for no apparently obvious benefit, except allowing the government to say that they are funding schools more, and then the government neglecting to point out they have massively increased costs on schools. I mean if you support that sort of deception by your government, then why not just say so?

Do I remember right that there is a suggestion of investigations into some of the corruption that Sunak has overseen - for example PPE?

I can’t wait for the grown ups to return.

I’d like this incarnation on the Tory party to disappear for ever. It’s achieved nothing, damaged the economy, public services and coarsened public life in a way that it will be incredibly painful and difficult for our country to come back from.

I think it is important amid all the understandable excitement about Keir Starmer being the UKs next Prime Minister to remember who is opponent will be at the General Election.
The opponent will be the very same person who lost the last election he stood in to someone who was outlasted by a lettuce.

@roarrfeckingroar
omg. You actually said labour will leave things worse than they are now. Have you been awake the last 13 years? Have you seen what this shit show have done?

You make me despair for this country. People like you frighten me to my core. I understand how manic dictators get elected now. The blind prejudiced ignorance of people. Sorry but the complete havoc you have caused with your vote.

Flyhigher - How To persuade someone NOT to vote for Labour.

People like YOU frighten me to my core. Let people make up their own mind on which party to vote for.

jgw1 - Still waiting for an answer to my very simple question.

Same these threads are often like this

We are still a major manufacturing country, we have great renewable resources to be exploited, London is still a major financial centre, with plenty of very wealthy people living there, a Japanese steak restaurant has just opened there, serving steaks that cost £900 per head, apparently a royal has been there 4 times.
This country has so much money, its just very very badly distributed.

If we had a functioning NHS, less people stuck on waiting lists, like the guy who was going to do our kitchen, tore his ACL, 2/3year wait, he is living off his savings, can't afford the 15k for the op.

Most pensioners are not rolling in it but i do agree, Starmer will have to introduce policies that many wont like, earned vs unearned income tax rates and taxes on property will have to change.

Lonelycrab · Yesterday 18:05

No not particularly, but I’m not really looking at a government to excite me, I just want them to be vaguely competent.

I am excited though, about being shot of the most venal, corrupt, divisive and amoral government we’ve ever seen here. Not sure if that’s the same thing.

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Why on earth do we have to be excited by Labour?Can pretty much guarantee nobody has been excited by the Tories the past few years, angry maybe but excitement not so much.

Yes very true, some posters try to scare us into voting Tory because Labour will ERASE us women.

lol at the caps

I’m sure you’ll very much be here quoting my posts all the time and going on about Labour don’t worry

Our school is a non profit making independent. It is not a business. It does not have cash reserves. They have written to be clear that there will be no buffering and that in fact, there will be less scope for bursery support, as there is a finite amount of money for that. Higher fees mean fewer children can receive support.

This worries me. Some people either forget what previous governments were like or they are too young to have known. Every government leaves the country in a state, that's why they get voted out. None of them go in with that on their manifesto though. Don't think the next government will be any better in the long term, whatever party they are from.
Am I cynical? Yes.

As if anyone could budge the Labour lot to not vote for Starmer anyway.

Do as you want. If women’s sex based rights go down the drain you can’t say you didn’t know beforehand

I'm not excited at all. I'm amazed at the number of people who think it will be like waving a magic wand. It won't.

Labour left the country in many ways far better off than when they took over, NHS, Education, Childrens services & the GFC was hardly their fault, anymore than Covid was the Tories.

What have the Tories improved over the last 13 years? nothing, nothing at all, everything is worse.

Even defence, the UK used to have a frigate or destroyer in the Caribbean on permanent patrol, now its a lightly armed, coastal patrol craft, our infantry is still to be cut to 18k soldiers.

Our exposure to risk was very high due to high dependence on unregulated FS sector - hence a huge bust after riding a global boom

All domestic political decisions

See what i mean, nothing positive to say about the Tories, just scare tactics about Labour, ignoring everything the Tories have done & continue to do about womens rights.

The Tories in response to a petition to get rid of the GRA said "the act strikes the right balance.... we have no plans to change it"

Exactly the same as Labour.