Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

[roarrfeckingroar]

I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Was that the poster who doesn't know what the law says?

Possibly @jgw1 but the question still remains unanswered? Can you answer it?

Well firstly, what proportion of trans people do you think there are? If this is happening it will be at a very low figure, under 1%.

Secondly, if transwomen are included in the women's stats for any given country this would actually lower the overall women's performance on these key areas, as we know that transwomen, as a demographic, have poorer levels of health, educational attainment, economic participation and opportunity, and political empowerment relative to non trans people.

So this should actually worsen the figures for women in these countries.

Amazing then, that these countries are all still doing so well for women and are at the top of the table for women's parity with men, despite according to many here, 'Not knowing what a woman is'.

We are in a class based system. Wake up!

Is it right wing to think that women are best at home so they can make babies rather than having an education?

Yes your argument is bit awkward for many posters.

Its the UK s underfunding of female spaces thats the problem here, a woman ringing a DV centre for help and support has a 50% chance of being turned away, thats got nothing to do with trans women.
Same with taxing panic rooms, non violent trans women sent to female prisons, men in female wards... all down to funding.

I can see why pp posts so much promoting Starmer he won’t answer either

Starmer has answered.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/26/keir-starmer-woman-is-adult-female-labour-hardens-stance/

Relieved rather than excited.

Will a male who has a GRC and is legally female be excluded from single sex spaces.

How?

I can't wait!

Will a male who has a GRC and is legally female be excluded from single sex spaces

How?

How does that happen now?

The answer’s in the article, which clearly you didn’t bother to read.

When asked whether women would be properly protected in safe spaces that include trans people, Sir Keir said: “I think the Scottish prisoner case probably answers that question.”

For many women here a key issue seems to be Starmer / Labour / any given politician 'Not knowing what a woman is'.

This seems to be sufficient for them to vote Tory, despite people in key positions of power like Cleverley joking about date raping women.

I am pointing out that the top countries in the world for women according to these people also 'Do not know what a woman is' - and this has not stopped these countries performing exceptionally for women, and far better than the UK.

I imagine these countries are also doing well on support for DV and tackling crime / preventing reoccurrence, and their success on doing this has not hinged on a obsessive fixation on transwomen.

To be fair @suggestionsplease1, I don’t think it’s “many” women. It’s a few who are completely obsessive. The usual suspects appear on every political thread with monotonous regularity.

That is a ridiculous answer 😬

Along the same lines as pp in avoidance

What legislative change is he proposing to stop a male who is legally recognised as female entering a female changing room?

And since no one can check for a GRC how will he stop Eddie Izzard using whichever loo he wants?

lol and you the usual suspect posting against those rights 👏

Your monotonous regularity on dismissing sex based rights is nothing to write home about.

@jgw1 not sure what your most recent reply to me was asking?

You don't know what the law says?

I’m not excited about Keir Starmer and not totally convinced it will happen as life has a funny way of changing in unexpected ways and anything could happen between now and the next election.

I’d feel a bit better if our voting system was different. It worries me someone saying about you only have a choice between Conservative and Labour. Labour have no chance in my old constituency, it swings between Conservative and Lib Dem . Vote Labour and you will have Conservative again there.

I’d like to think people will vote tactically and other parties will work together to unseat current Tory MP’s but given in local elections we had leaflets from both Lib Dem and Labour claiming that only voting them could defeat Conservatives, I am not holding out much hope on that front.

Common sense would dictate that a Labour government is a done deal given the current polls and the horrific mess we are in (was just looking up the stats for food banks since 2010), extremely depressing reading) but expect the unexpected is my motto after recent years.

There seems to be very little discussion around public services or the benefits of the Brexit sunlit uplands or the impact of levelling up? Why is that?

Excited, no. It will take several terms to start to repair this sinking ship. Relieved, yes.

Exactly. My DS’ school has already told us that they won’t have to increase the fees by 20% because of the amount of VAT that they will be able to reclaim - their maintenance costs are high as the original building and grounds are Grade 1 listed. They are estimating no more than a 10% increase. Labour haven’t properly costed this policy.

https://www.flip.co.uk/common-law-marriage-for-cohabitants-labours-pledge/

Yesterday, Emily Thornberry, the shadow attorney-general, indicated at the Labour Conference that Labour was committed to giving millions of cohabiting couples rights to each other’s property if they split up, as part of a common-law marriage pledge.The proposals would create a form of common-law marriage for those unmarried couples who have lived together for a few years similar to the “de facto” relationship status that exists for these couples in New Zealand and Australia.

@upinaballoon and @Sluj as a fellow older than average mnetter I sadly agree.