Anyone actually excited about a Keir / Labour govt?

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I'm typically a Tory voter (one nation Conservative, just right of centre, nothing radical) and gender critical, so I'm wary of a Labour government. I worry they'll leave the country worse than it is now.

However, I absolutely agree we need a change. Things can't get much worse, can they? Idiots like Boris and Truss have made a mockery of what I understand of the Conservatives - namely economic competence - and I can't vote for them this time. I don't know who I will vote for.

Listening to LBC this evening, I hear a Labour MP talk about how Starmer is offering an "exciting programme" of change and I just don't buy it. Maybe he will he better, maybe he won't, but my real question is is anyone genuinely excited about Labour, or just looking forward to the back of the Tories?

Do you even live in London? I doubt it with this ignorant comment. I live in zone 4 of London so not central and we were 30mph everywhere for quite some time. So yes it is a noticecabkendistant and areas like mine are not quite as well served by the tube in South London. So don't assume thag all of London has fantastic public transport might still be better than outside London.

For example to go to the supermarket id need to take 2 buses no direct service or I can drive in 10 mins directly. So yeah I have a car but also because I'm the main driver for my elderly parents too.

I think you're deluded. They all shit in the same pot and that includes Starmer.

And that's exactly what the Tories want you to think.

Its true. Always has been always will be.

Labour woman on TV talking about Sunak being weak - boring cliche - and saying that they'll have breakfast clubs, I think she meant for all, presumably for couples getting 80K, and she nearly said '14 years of Tory misrule' -another cliche.
Now there's a Tory man on whizzing through things they've done which include 'introducing phonics' - tell that to the teachers of 1932/1952! - and saying he wants National Insurance to cease to exist. Oh, no, matey, everyone should pay NI, thereby paying their stake into society.
If it is my first duty, as a good citizen, to vote, whoever shall I vote for? Yes, I know, I can look to the candidates in the constituency rather than the national policies.

Maybe because they don't want to vote for the Tory party who ceded women's rights to TRAs, are steeped in rape culture to the point that they've practically decriminalised rape and have fucked up women's lives so many ways over the past 14 years.

And they don't trust the Lib Dems or SNP.

I'm always excited for a general election, and I'm so positive that we get a labour prime minister at last. Not keen on Starmer but am fully confident in labour, I'm a party member as are two of my children.

I have always been a staunch Labour voter but I am not at all excited with a Labour government under Keir Starmer leadership.

I completely agree that we need a change as soon as possible, but I cannot support Labour after Starmers stand on Gaza/Israel which like Rishi's has been disgraceful and unforgivable.

A truly depressing choice :(

I agree I’m extremely disappointed with Starmers stance on Gaza/Isreal

I feel this was a move that he was considering voted that he has actually got wrong

*votes

Yes, I’m excited although hardly surprising as I’m a lifelong Labour voter except for 2019 when I abstained because of Corbyn. I got excited about Keir Starmer as a future PM the moment he was elected as an MP. He’s a thoroughly decent, competent person who is in it for the right reasons, ie the total opposite of Boris Johnson.

Really? You honestly think that labour and Tory governments have all been the same?

Come on! Both have had their faults but you can't say they're the same unless you've really not followed politics at all over the last decades.

Unbelievable, isn’t it? I know it’s a long time since we had virtually no NHS waiting lists and public services that ran smoothly but surely people can’t have completely forgotten how fundamentally different life was 14 years ago?

I think excited is the wrong word. People will be relieved rather than excited.

@Zonder @newnamethanks No I won't vote Tory either. I'm most likely to vote Green Party, Lib Dem or an independent but will decide after considering the party policies and my local candidates a bit further. I can't in good faith vote for Keir as a leader or the party as a whole in its current form.

I actually really like Keir but I can’t get excited about a many new government as there’s no quick fix for the absolutely shit show the Tory government have created in this country. I’ll vote labour but realistically they can’t do much in s short space of time and when they don’t magically fix things, they’ll quickly lose favour.

What are they going to do to fix things - I know they are giving us hope ??? And renewal??? But chow are they fixing nhs, education, rich/lpoor divide , north/south divide , stopping the boats !? I’ve yet to hear.

Not here. My children's school us full of people like us who are not fabulously wealthy. It will drive us out of the school. I am completely unconvinced that it jas been totally thought through it costed out. I am a Labour voter, but I cannot this time.

*has been totally thought through or costed out.

People saying they're all the same are the people who vote without bothering to read the manifestos.

@Snugglemonkey where I live, I do know that some schools are writing to parents to find out whether VAT increases would cause them to have to leave the school. I should imagine that existing students families may be given bursary support if it met that they would have to leave the school.

Why do you think employers shouldn’t pay the going rate towards their pension obligations?

if we no longer make much to sell, no longer have much investment into British companies in the city, also companies moving to theNY stock exchange from London, reduce our farming as we can import more cheaply, so all we have is universities making money. And a great draining service industry with 20% of adults inactive and requiring benefits and most purchasing of goods’ profits going to Microsoft , Amazon,temu and alibaba -I would say we are f•••••. Whoever is in power unless the next Gov kicks some ass and makes serious changes many eg pensioners don’t like - and I can’t see mr inclusive and looking forward doing any of that.

Very excited. It will be amazing to have a PM I'm not ashamed of/embarrassed about for the first time in a long time. And I actually do find KS exciting, as far as politicians go. I don't agree with him on everything, but those who say he is weak as a leader have not been paying attention over the last 4 years. It's quite something what he has done within his party and, while they've obviously benefitted from the utter shit show the Tories have out us through, I don't think that entirely explains their success in the polls.

I do think that the last few years have damaged public perception of politics and politicians overall though. The Tories desperately want to taint everyone with the same brush and some people do fall for that.

Yes, it will make a nice change to be able to admit your nationality without provoking both sympathy and hilarity from our European neighbours. UK is a laughing stock with a Prime Minister who runs away when he sees something he doesn't like. Like the Greek PM. Shameful.