The Epstein list has been released

[KenAdams]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67865190

Complex set of documents though. Even if you can get on the site it's not easy to digest, so we watch this space I suppose.

How many royal families support Andrew?

Is Tony Blair on this list?

That is so disappointing to hear. Demonstrating that ‘genius’ is no protection from being an idiot / something more sinister. I’d like to think Epstein ‘groomed’ Hawking who was less aware of what was actually happening. But never let it be said that it’s impossible to be disappointed by any man.

From the new info it would seem the lawyer, Dershowitz, was much more prolific in his abuse of the women

This one was no surprise.

David Copperfield is also named.
None of the names so far are new, they have all been named before.

As far as David Copperfield, I did read he was there to do magic tricks at parties. I can't wade through 950 pages to quantify that, but it is possible.

I think the PA and Sarah Ferguson at Christmas thing was more about her. I think it was a message to Harry and Meghan that loyalty and discretion are rewarded. It wasn’t a good plan, though, and I’m surprised William went along with it.

Yes, I understood that he wasn't a participant, but I don't know enough details.

I’d like to think Epstein ‘groomed’ Hawking who was less aware of what was actually happening.

What?

Because he wasn't clever enough to see, or because he was disabled and therefore must be stupid?

I’d like to think Epstein ‘groomed’ Hawking who was less aware of what was actually happening.

I thought it was well known he was a misogynistic pos. Even if not this statement reads as ableist, I can't think what else you could mean by it tbh

We must be wary of assuming that everyone named therein is guilty by association.

They could have been carefully sounded out but failed to show interest in noncing. They could have been there in a professional capacity.

Being in the same building as a paedophile doesn't mean you are one.

Perhaps our King is more tolerant of his brother's acts because others among his friends have been exposed for worse.

Yes. Hawking was an exceptionally intelligent man, more so than most people in the world. It is not mutually exclusive that geniuses are particularly pleasant people, less likely to be exploitative. See also Gandhi, Karl Marx etc. As others have pointed out, he managed to have an affair and leave his wife and children.

Exactly.

William is a Windsor to his bones. I don't think he is in any way different to the rest of them. He happily drove Andrew around to some other event, having him sitting right next to him while Kate sat at the back.

Exactly @Angrycat2768

I think William will support Andrew. If it suits William.

Naomi Campbell is another name but I believe she is just guilty of attending a party or two and knowing Epstein. As very many names had no problem with their names being divulged, I imagine they are saying... yes I knew him. That's it.

Here she is fiercely defending receiving an humanitarian award in the light of knowing JE.

https://twitter.com/PhilMphela/status/1742813840474042865

Let’s not denigrate the memory of the brilliant Stephen Hawking without knowing the facts and context please. Let’s not start a witch hunt where there is no evidence of criminal activity.

Anyone could find themselves unknowingly in the company of a criminal / sexual deviant and being famous makes this prospect much more likely as you will meet so many more people.

I imagine celebrities need to be really careful nowadays - doing a lot of due diligence of new friends and professional partnerships. But even so, some people will manage to cover up their secret life.

The rich and famous can’t trust anyone these days, must be really lonely at the top.

@Togomalone We know Stephen Hawking paid prostituted women to grind their naked bodies against his body.

FFS. 🙄

I hadn't heard that about him. Horrible.

Anyone could find themselves unknowingly in the company of a criminal / sexual deviant and being famous makes this prospect much more likely as you will meet so many more people

What... like a member of the Royal Family like Andrew? JE had been convicted of sexual offences... his security detail would've known... that didn't stop PA inviting him into the heart of the RF.

Being rich and famous does not make you lie in a TV interview where you are defending yourself.

In fairness I think the poster was using that argument to absolve Stephen Hawkins, as being brilliant is apparently a get out of jail free card.

However whilst I will accept I could be in the company of people who hide their perversions, there is no excuse for remaining in the company of those that flaunt them.

I do not believe that anyone that visiting the island wasn't aware of what was going on.

Sadly, little shocks me any more about what people are capable of doing. It was disappointing, on first glance, to read of his name in association with this unedifying mess. But when you consider his track record it's not altogether surprising. It's also not as if academia isn't full of highly intelligent men who behave in not dissimilar ways.

Ghislaine Maxwell absolutely deserves to be behind bars for her part in this sordid story. But it's very telling that of all the powerful men whose names have been mentioned in association, so far it's only one female who's taken the rap.

Male privilege and patriarchal power in microcosm.

Keeping Mountbatten front and centre indicated an acceptance of child abuse as acceptable practice, both by the establishment and by the royal family. Why would Prince Andrew be treated differently?

@DeanElderberry I agree. There is a history in the royal family of being comfortable with men who are child abusers.