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What is one hill you will die on?

833 replies

whitetip · 03/12/2023 12:59

One opinion that you have that will never waver, no matter what?..

OP posts:
Butchyrestingface · 03/12/2023 17:28

theduchessofspork · 03/12/2023 13:03

I am against the burning of witches

I am against hills.

Thepeopleversuswork · 03/12/2023 17:29

@VanityDiesHard

Not knowing your backstory, you sound like hard work and not someone who is pleasant to be around. If you are always looking for snubs and slights, chances are you'll find them.

It's a pretty reliable litmus test that if someone behaves towards you as if they consider you to be beneath them they are not to be trusted.

I don't go out of my way looking for snubs and slights (and I don't get many honestly because I'm a pretty confident person). But life is too short to accommodate people who are more worried about their place in the hierarchy than they are in humanity. They will always throw you under the bus when they have to.

Nordlo · 03/12/2023 17:29

Having more than 2 children is irresponsible and the planet can't support it.

ZebraDanios · 03/12/2023 17:30

I think less of people who think less of people whose spelling/punctuation/grammar is less than perfect.

How someone uses apostrophes says far less about a person than an inability to recognise that we don’t all have the same abilities and opportunities.

DuesToTheDirt · 03/12/2023 17:31

Ebokebok · 03/12/2023 15:02

I corrected myself. It was a typo. Where have I incorrectly used punctuation?

Well, it postdates that post, but at 15:05 you said:

im not wrong and you don't put a comma before but either.

It took me a few goes to mentally parse that sentence.

I'm not wrong, and you don't put a comma before "but" either.

Fixed it for you.

Desecratedcoconut · 03/12/2023 17:34

Xol · 03/12/2023 17:16

I do find it odd that so many people are claiming the ONE hill they would die on is the trans issue. Really? You wouldn't die on hills such as anti-racism, social justice, eliminating poverty, eliminating disability discrimination, decent health care, etc etc?

Absolutely: truth, reality, freedom of speech, freedom from coerced speech, women's and girls rights, access to single sex spaces, to retain boundaries in health care, to retain space in school and the right to object to coerced mixed sports, the ability for women to define their sex class and mobilize politically, safeguarding for children, physical harm to children from untested drugs by slapdash and radicalized healthcare providers, wooly and opaque gender nonsense teaching in schools, mis-gathered and applied data manipulated by slippery language, sports ruined for women, ...and on...and on

Froodwithatowel · 03/12/2023 17:37

Xol · 03/12/2023 17:16

I do find it odd that so many people are claiming the ONE hill they would die on is the trans issue. Really? You wouldn't die on hills such as anti-racism, social justice, eliminating poverty, eliminating disability discrimination, decent health care, etc etc?

It's a whole lot of hills within that one single one:

That disabled women, women from minority cultures and faiths, women with a history of CSA/DV/DA, women with learning difficulties, homeless women, women in need of health care should absolutely

  • have accessible health care which necessitates female only wards and the option of same sex hcps
  • have safe refuges and rape crisis services including phone lines where they can be certain of female only provision and workers if they need it
  • have accessible public services
  • have equality of access to all resources and spaces to everyone else without prejudice and discriminatory exclusion based on their needs requiring a single sex facility
  • have access to sport and leisure facilities for the social and health benefits involved which necessitates providing female only changing, showers and classes in some cases alongside other options
  • access for their daughters to female only groups and activities such as Brownies and Guides when they cannot access mixed sex spaces
  • have language used in all health related materials for females that is clear and specific about naming women and girls for those who need access to clear and accessible English and information about their bodies

Child safeguarding all goes in there too, but yes, if I wasn't very passionate about anti-racism, religious tolerance, (including when someone of a different race or faith has a need for provision that is inconvenient to male people), social justice, eliminating disability discrimination, equality of accessible health care - I wouldn't care half as much about the removal of women's rights, spaces, language and access as I do. I'd be able to just shrug, say it didn't personally inconvenience me (yet) and go on my merry way.

FMSucks · 03/12/2023 17:38

It’s not all men, but it’s always fucking men.

Sex not gender and all that it encompasses.

Religion is the root of all evil.

Hastheslotharrivedyet · 03/12/2023 17:38

DuesToTheDirt · 03/12/2023 17:31

Well, it postdates that post, but at 15:05 you said:

im not wrong and you don't put a comma before but either.

It took me a few goes to mentally parse that sentence.

I'm not wrong, and you don't put a comma before "but" either.

Fixed it for you.

No comma before ‘and’

uuughhhshsh · 03/12/2023 17:39

That the vast, vast majority of women are perfectly physically capable of exclusively breastfeeding their babies. They are just unsupported, lied to and inadequately education by health professionals and their friends and family as to how it works and what is normal in establishing breastfeeding.

uuughhhshsh · 03/12/2023 17:39

uuughhhshsh · 03/12/2023 17:39

That the vast, vast majority of women are perfectly physically capable of exclusively breastfeeding their babies. They are just unsupported, lied to and inadequately education by health professionals and their friends and family as to how it works and what is normal in establishing breastfeeding.

Which is entirely not their fault, I should add.

Pluviophile1 · 03/12/2023 17:40

That Die Hard is not a Christmas film.

AllAroundMyCat · 03/12/2023 17:40

VanityDiesHard · 03/12/2023 15:13

I've thought of another one, which may be controversial but I firmly believe it: if abortion is legal (as it should be) then paper abortion ought to be. If women can opt out of motherhood, men should be able to opt out of fatherhood. Anything else is illogical and unfair.

Ooh... that's an interesting one.

Tapasita · 03/12/2023 17:40

@Thepeopleversuswork

But life is too short to accommodate people who are more worried about their place in the hierarchy than they are in humanity. They will always throw you under the bus when they have to.

I have to say I agree with this. Unlike @Thepeopleversuswork I’m not highly confident but I do have my line in the sand and it’s the same as hers. If someone socially snubs me or treats me like I’m somehow beneath them, i think they show you who they are and where their focus lies. We are all equal in the eyes of God, so the saying goes and I live my life by this principle. I treat everybody with the same respect whether they’re a king or a pauper. I expect the same in return.

Collie86 · 03/12/2023 17:41

100% this

Desecratedcoconut · 03/12/2023 17:43

Pluviophile1 · 03/12/2023 17:40

That Die Hard is not a Christmas film.

Wash.your.mouth.out.

BitOutOfPractice · 03/12/2023 17:43

Rainbowshit · 03/12/2023 17:12

Tough. We're not shutting up about it.

I don’t want you to “shut up”. You can try and paint me as whatever you like on that front. I probably agree with you (I don’t know for sure because I, like the majority of mn I suspect, have tuned out of the debate). I just don’t need or want to see it shoe-horned into every single thread, every single time.

SouthLondonMum22 · 03/12/2023 17:44

Tapasita · 03/12/2023 16:31

Children come before work. If you have kids, you need to show up for them. This excludes people who work long anti-social hours because they have no other choice - i.e single parents. But ruthlessly dumping tiny babies and toddlers in nursery five days a week from 6.30 -6.30 unless you HAVE NO OTHER POSSIBLE CHOICE is wrong.

You made a decision to bring little people into the world; they didn’t ask to be here and as a parent that comes with the sacrifice of your work ego - temporarily. This is not just pitched at women BTW. Parents in general. Too many people treat their kids like a piece of furniture. Kids need you to be present and that doesn’t mean giving up work completely of course not. But the long excruciating work hours necessitating a life spent in a setting being cared for by strangers - nah, no amount of salary is worth that surely??!

Babies in particular should not be in a nursery setting full time. Sorry but that’s just how I feel and I feel very strongly about it.

There - I’ve donned my tin hat. But it’s a hill I will die on

If they are in nursery five days a week for 12 hours a day...

How are the nursery workers strangers?

Cadburysucks · 03/12/2023 17:45

The stupid buggers who vandalise things.graffiti and rubbish thrown. Also the individual who felled the sycamore tree. Bastard.

Billben · 03/12/2023 17:45

Ebokebok · 03/12/2023 13:31

Yes it does and you should therefore know that you never put a coma before and 🙈

😂 I guess you’ve never heard of the Oxford comma?

VanityDiesHard · 03/12/2023 17:45

Tapasita · 03/12/2023 17:40

@Thepeopleversuswork

But life is too short to accommodate people who are more worried about their place in the hierarchy than they are in humanity. They will always throw you under the bus when they have to.

I have to say I agree with this. Unlike @Thepeopleversuswork I’m not highly confident but I do have my line in the sand and it’s the same as hers. If someone socially snubs me or treats me like I’m somehow beneath them, i think they show you who they are and where their focus lies. We are all equal in the eyes of God, so the saying goes and I live my life by this principle. I treat everybody with the same respect whether they’re a king or a pauper. I expect the same in return.

My point was, though, that the person who made the initial point was just judging on what she thought someone's motivation was, based perhaps on how they greeted her at a party or something. The phrase 'one strike you're out' seemed overly dramatic, as well. It is one (admirable) thing to resist poor treatment and not be a doormat. It is quite another to be practically on the lookout for people not falling over themselves to be friendly and 'treat you as an equal', and I think it is shortsighted to not see that.

DuesToTheDirt · 03/12/2023 17:46

Cadburysucks · 03/12/2023 17:45

The stupid buggers who vandalise things.graffiti and rubbish thrown. Also the individual who felled the sycamore tree. Bastard.

Yes to this!

SerafinasGoose · 03/12/2023 17:47

JaneyGee · 03/12/2023 16:10

The literary canon is sacred and must be defended against left-wing academics who want to dismantle it in the name of ‘progressive’ ideology. Just because a writer ticks certain boxes that doesn’t mean they are any good. Writers should be judged on the quality of their work, nothing else. You can ‘decolonise’ as many libraries as you like, I will still be reading Virginia Woolf and Jane Austen and George Eliot. And if I want advice on who to read, I will turn to Harold Bloom or Frank Kermode, not some smug, bullying, sneering woke fanatic.

The canon was constantly being revised well before 'woke'.

That is the reason you're reading Jane Austen, George Eliot and Virginia Woolf in the first place.

Billben · 03/12/2023 17:47

Hastheslotharrivedyet · 03/12/2023 17:38

No comma before ‘and’

Are people seriously this ignorant of the Oxford comma?

Gettingbysomehow · 03/12/2023 17:48

That all women must learn to support themselves and not rely on men.