Thread 33 Sunak : Sense and Sunakability

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After 10 dyas on the rollercoaster, we now look forward to 5 more pledges and a mini budget

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itsgettingweird

I don't think department budgets are automatically adjusted for inflation. So the NHS will get less of an increase than planned.

So the public sector has a pay rise, paid for out of taxes - either national taxes or local taxes, the price of goods they need will have increased, but their budgets won't have increased - that's not good for public services.

Higher inflation has led to buoyant tax revenues, but does not automatically feed through into higher departmental budgets, which are fixed in cash terms. That means those budgets are worth less in real terms: they can purchase fewer goods and services. The upshot is that by 2027-28, the OBR estimates that the real value of departmental budgets will have been eroded by £19 billion. The government could have used the tax proceeds from higher inflation to compensate departments. Instead, they announced £20 billion of tax cuts.

ifs.org.uk/Autumn-Statement-2023-response

Worth reading that IFS paper in full.

Don’t know about other trusts but we now have a recruitment freeze, an agency staff ban and an overtime ban so that should sort out the pay issue.

@RafaistheKingofClay we haven't got a full recruitment freeze, but we have a panel that scrutinies every vacancy to see if it's really needed. No overtime/agency ban though, our wards would have to close beds if they did that.

Well the new immigration figures seem to be causing issues so I guess they want a freeze on hiring foreign workers for the NHS and social care. Which will cause its own issues.

I vote we work Squealer into the next thread title!

Will Not-So-Cleverly be forced to apologise in the House for calling a fellow MP shit? 🤔

Wouldn't than mean he would then officially be allowed to be called a liar in Parliament and be subject to a ban/ by election?

We know he wasn't talking about the MP, he definitely said shit hole. Surely the standards committee can make recommendations about his behaviour?

If nothing is done, it will show how low standards are across the board. Not for the comment, he could have owned it and apologised, but for the lies.

They learnt nothing from Johnson and the debacle caused by his lies.

The most plausible conclusion I have come to is that the Tory party employ some kind of lie detector test when selecting candidates, with only those that lie fluently in every sentence being permitted to stand.

I am sure MP's recently voted against making lying in Parliament a criminal offence.

Bylines reported it, will dig it up in a bit

Dennis Skinner, Labour MP Bolsover. "Half the party opposite are crooks"
Speaker "Please withdraw your statement'
Skinner "Very well. Half the party opposite aren't crooks"
Only the percentage differs today.

I got that wrong, Government rejected petitions asking for it

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/10/24/government-rejects-voters-calls-to-make-lying-to-parliament-a-crime-over-freedom-of-speech-fears

I think they’ll get by with bank staff rather than agency but I’m not sure how they’ll manage tbh. But yes I can see all sorts of things getting cancelled.

And personally, being contracted for fewer hours than I actually work it’s a massive PITA. A below inflation pay rise and losing 4-5hrs a week isn’t exactly helpful. But at least I won’t cause inflation…

Integrity huh?

After Cleverley's remark on children in poverty, here is Badenoch at the Covid Inquiry

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1727960493480984665?s=20

Kemi Badenoch, "We don't have a cure for poverty. If we did, we would have done it already"

Well the IFS aren't holding back -

The government has abdicated responsibility for public services

Whoever forms the next government will be left with a large bill to repair the damage, warns @StuartHoddinott instituteforgovernment.org.uk/comment/autumn…

x.com/instituteforgov/status/1728024469099171870?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Has anyone pointed out to Badenoch that not having a cure for something is no excuse for actively pursuing practices that make an existing condition immeasurably worse? It's an inquiry into a spreading infection, after all, Badenoch. Remember? For some things, prevention is better than cure.

I think I actually hate Badenoch, which is awful on my part but I cannot find any redeeming features she is just so nasty.

I get that, I feel the same

Cruella complaining to Sunak about the number of legal migrants being too high in the last couple of years. She was in charge of the Home Office, which has been handing out well over a million visas a year.

It’s like me complaining to my husband that I spend too much money.

And me. She has the same effect on me that Thatcher did.

I like her hair. But that is it.

Saw the Suella D Mail headline on display yesterday and LOL'd in Marks & Spencer. Fair put me off my ready meal. There are not sufficient words to describe the lows to which this bunch of truth-twisters will descend. They require a whole new vocabulary that will definitely include words such as slithery, liar, slippery, liar, contemptuous, liar, entitled, liar, grasping etc. Just for starters.

Here she is struggling to name a benefit of brexit

https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1728331242071003535?s=20

Nick Robinson: Can you name one industry that is better off as a result of brexit?

Suella Braverman: No

The new Home Secretary talking in the Times

https://x.com/AdamBienkov/status/1728195370369396904?s=20

So a week after Rishi Sunak insisted he was committed to the Rwanda scheme and prepared to quit the ECHR in order to achieve it, his Home Secretary tells the Times that leaving the ECHR is a bad idea and the scheme is not the "be all and end all" anyway.