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Thread 33 Sunak : Sense and Sunakability

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DuncinToffee · 21/11/2023 08:57

After 10 dyas on the rollercoaster, we now look forward to 5 more pledges and a mini budget

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4939564-thread-32-sunak-sunak-v-suella-the-final-countdown?page=40&reply=130888910

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RafaistheKingofClay · 08/12/2023 17:18

Literally no chance of mine voting against the government. Whether he agrees with it or not. He may abstain if he’s having a good day.

Roussette · 08/12/2023 17:31

Ditto mine. Chocolate teapot too long in the job (over 30 years)

RafaistheKingofClay · 08/12/2023 17:51

Where is the 290million coming from? Is it coming out of the foreign aid budget? If so what are we not spending on given the cuts to foreign aid have already caused issues?

itsgettingweird · 08/12/2023 17:51

RafaistheKingofClay · 08/12/2023 17:51

Where is the 290million coming from? Is it coming out of the foreign aid budget? If so what are we not spending on given the cuts to foreign aid have already caused issues?

Good question

RafaistheKingofClay · 08/12/2023 18:10

I think I’ve just fallen for a goady food bank thread. 🤦‍♀️

cakeorwine · 08/12/2023 18:21

RafaistheKingofClay · 08/12/2023 17:51

Where is the 290million coming from? Is it coming out of the foreign aid budget? If so what are we not spending on given the cuts to foreign aid have already caused issues?

I am sure this question will be answered next week.

Home Office ordered to give full cost of Rwanda deportation plan | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian

From PMQs

Migration has trebled on the Prime Minister’s watch, and all he can do is make up numbers about the Labour party. It is really pitiful. I am not actually sure the Prime Minister can have read this thing. Article 4 says the scheme is capped at Rwanda’s capacity—that is 100. Article 5 says Rwanda can turn them away if it wants. Article 19 says we actually have to take refugees from Rwanda. How much did this “fantastic” deal cost us?

His reply

As the Home Secretary was crystal clear about, there is no incremental money. [Interruption.] There is no incremental money that has been provided.

Keir Starmer

He clearly hasn’t read it. Annex A says that, on top of the £140 million he has already showered on Rwanda, when we send people there under this treaty, we will have to pay for their accommodation and upkeep for five years

"Sunak himself is facing questions over whether he misled MPs about the costs of the scheme, when he said on Wednesday that there had been “no incremental money that has been provided”.
Downing Street said he did not misinform parliament, as an £100m in extra funding for the country was part of a parallel economic development scheme.
Asked if Sunak had been inaccurate, his deputy spokesperson said this was not the case as there were “two different strands” of funding – to process asylum seekers and a wider aid budget – and that the prime minister had been referring to the first."

Home Office ordered to give full cost of Rwanda deportation plan

Top civil servant summoned to give ‘full and frank’ answers after costs of scheme rose from £140m to £290m

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/08/sunak-didnt-mislead-mps-over-costs-of-rwanda-deportation-plan-says-no-10

BIossomtoes · 08/12/2023 18:44

RafaistheKingofClay · 08/12/2023 18:10

I think I’ve just fallen for a goady food bank thread. 🤦‍♀️

Me too. 🙄

jgw1 · 08/12/2023 18:51

BIossomtoes · 08/12/2023 18:44

Me too. 🙄

Do they need my wisdom?

Notonthestairs · 08/12/2023 18:53

Everyone would benefit from your wisdom jgw Wink

Yes it's a goady thread.

Notonthestairs · 08/12/2023 18:53

Everyone would benefit from your wisdom jgw Wink

Yes it's a goady thread.

BIossomtoes · 08/12/2023 18:53

Definitely @jgw1. Get stuck in.

Notonthestairs · 08/12/2023 18:54

So true I said it twice.

Not sure what happened with the duplicate post. The app told me I was logged out!

BIossomtoes · 08/12/2023 18:56

Notonthestairs · 08/12/2023 18:54

So true I said it twice.

Not sure what happened with the duplicate post. The app told me I was logged out!

😂

jgw1 · 08/12/2023 19:15

BIossomtoes · 08/12/2023 18:53

Definitely @jgw1. Get stuck in.

Am I in the right place?

AdamRyan · 08/12/2023 21:34

I think I might have to leave MN....just read a post where the poster said Braverman and Badenoch aren't getting enough support because of racism and misogyny
I can't even be bothered....

pointythings · 08/12/2023 21:44

@AdamRyan between that and the food bank thread I despair of human nature sometimes.

Notonthestairs · 08/12/2023 21:53

So not wanting a fair, well run asylum system that doesn't break international laws makes people racist?

AdamRyan · 08/12/2023 23:16

Notonthestairs · 08/12/2023 21:53

So not wanting a fair, well run asylum system that doesn't break international laws makes people racist?

Wheres that from? Sounds like absolute random bot posting to me.
I do sometimes wonder how many accounts on here are bot accounts. I have to or I'd despair for humanity

Notonthestairs · 08/12/2023 23:48

Apologies, that was my misinterpretation of your post.

jgw1 · 09/12/2023 07:37

AdamRyan · 08/12/2023 21:34

I think I might have to leave MN....just read a post where the poster said Braverman and Badenoch aren't getting enough support because of racism and misogyny
I can't even be bothered....

As in Braverman and Badenoch are not getting support because Braverman and Badenoch are racists and misognists?

Piggywaspushed · 09/12/2023 07:51

I honestly don't even visit those threads for my own MH. I see them pop up on active, ignore them and hope they'll go away. The food bank one did disappear form active quite quickly. I didn't even open it because I knew what it would be like.

I do think it is important to post if you want to, though as otherwise those people think everyone agrees with them. I gave up on some boards a few years ago, though.

Bots and klaxons.

jgw1 · 09/12/2023 07:54

How do people live with so much hate rolling around inside them?

Zonder · 09/12/2023 07:59

AdamRyan · 08/12/2023 21:34

I think I might have to leave MN....just read a post where the poster said Braverman and Badenoch aren't getting enough support because of racism and misogyny
I can't even be bothered....

To be fair there's probably some truth in that. I mean, Braverman and Badenoch are pretty racist and it probably does mean less people support them.

Although I imagine that's not how the original poster meant it.

Zonder · 09/12/2023 08:00

jgw1 · 09/12/2023 07:37

As in Braverman and Badenoch are not getting support because Braverman and Badenoch are racists and misognists?

Just saw this. Great minds think alike!