Thread 33 Sunak : Sense and Sunakability

[DuncinToffee]

After 10 dyas on the rollercoaster, we now look forward to 5 more pledges and a mini budget

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itsgettingweird

£290 million to do nothing other than still try and set up an arrangement where we swap 200 people for another 200.

To what? Save money? Put people off risking their lives on boats for safety?

Surely that £290 million could have been spent actually processing claims and returning those without a genuine claim? Perhaps even putting towards housing and public services?

Good grief, what we could have done with that £290m, a total reckless waste.

Daily Mail have gone with getting angry over the licence fee not £290 million pounds being sent to Rwandan government.

Never mind the Taxpayers Alliance will be along in a minute to complain. Tufton Street hate waste!

Just been listening to one of the immigration ministers.

What struck me is how much they focus on this being about stopping the people smugglers "forcing people onto boats to risk their lives"

They can't address it because they are ignoring the fundamental point that people are choosing to risk their lives on these crossing because of what they are fleeing.

We won't stop the boats or any type of asylum seeking all the time people need to seek asylum.

Makes me so cross.

We could be doing so much more than just vilifying people who's lives are at risk and fleeing for their safety,

The Times seems to think that the Rwanda bill will pass next Tuesday but problems will arise in the New Year -

'The second reading of the bill takes place on Tuesday, and the whips are optimistic that it will be relatively straightforward. Tory MPs opposed to the legislation on both sides of the debate — centrists who say it is too hardline and right-wingers who say it is too soft — are expected to abstain rather than oppose it outright. Many potential rebels, however, are expected to bide their time until after the new year when the bill is expected to enter report stage.'

A whole series of ammendments incoming?

Yes - from opposing wings of the Conservatives. Will get very messy.

And thats before the Lords get their say. The doom loop will continue. God knows how much money will be spent flogging this.

This is all just a very expensive distraction from what is happening in the country. The more parliamentary time devoted to this is time (and money) taken away from what makes a different to peoples lives - social care, the NHS, schools, local government, transport and housing.

I can't stop thinking that that Braverman's daydream required £290 million of taxpayers cash.

Maybe someone should get a big red bus and write ' let's send 290 million to Rwanda instead'
What they could have done with that money :(

Carol Vorderman has done the sums

RWANDA MATHS

Tory govt set up costs = £290m

Cost to send each person = £169,000
Add in £290m

TOTAL COST PER PERSON
100 people = £3,069,000 each

300 people = £1,129,000 each

500 people = £459,000 each

Or total cost of housing support in UK per person = £106,000

Sounds like a VIP Lane scandal all over again

I'm writing to my useless, head up Sunaks arse MP later today. I don't think it will achieve much, but at least she can't say all her constituents agreed with her.

I am so angry about this.

@DuncinToffee not only is the cost lower but the money would stay within the UK economy and provide jobs in the UK.

I'd like to see how the £290 m is calculated. Does it, for instance, include all the legal fees the Home Office has had to pay out, both in terms of their own costs and their liability to people bringing successful challenges? To say nothing of the cost of sending various politicians and civil servants over to Rwanda to butter up the Rwandans and take photo opportunities, the cost of civil service and Parliamentary time with the ridiculous Rwanda bill, and the cost of future legal challenges?

I think I just heard bbc reporter saying that an additional 100 million paid to Rwanda had slipped down the back of the sofa unnoticed until today. In the same report we are 'helping to grow the Rwanda economy'. I'm feeling extra peevish today.

I heard some tory today say ' we always wanted to invest in Rwanda'
The lies still come

But not in Stockton...

Well he never specified whose economy when he made grow the economy one of his 5 pledges.

That was a bit off-message, given that right-wing Tory voters really don't like foreign aid.

Also a bit stupid, given that if they were really all lying awake at night worrying about investment in Rwanda, there was nothing to stop them investing direct without ever getting involved in all the asylum bollocks.

The One Nation Tories should get it into their heads that the only way for the party to salvage a bit of honour is for them to be brave enough to put their heads above the parapet and refuse to have anything to do with this. The trouble is that those that are left in Parliament mostly lack the balls to do that.

"I'd like to see how the £290 m is calculated. Does it, for instance, include all the legal fees the Home Office has had to pay out, both in terms of their own costs and their liability to people bringing successful challenges? To say nothing of the cost of sending various politicians and civil servants over to Rwanda to butter up the Rwandans and take photo opportunities, the cost of civil service and Parliamentary time with the ridiculous Rwanda bill, and the cost of future legal challenges?"

£290 million is money paid or to be paid to the Rwandan government.

Legal fees, costs for building detention centres etc are outside of this.

"Also a bit stupid, given that if they were really all lying awake at night worrying about investment in Rwanda, there was nothing to stop them investing direct without ever getting involved in all the asylum bollocks."

Quite. Although I think they've slashed the foreign aid budget!

They did that, because along with Sunak's determination to increase climate change at every opportunity it leads to more migration which is one of the key policies of his government.

The British people’s top priority has always been to invest in eurasia Rwanda. Don’t you all remember? No wonder Rishi struggles to be patient with you lot. 🙄

I just can’t get my head around Rishi and his advisors (and most likely paymasters) being prepared to do blatantly misuse their powers to dodge existing laws and international treaties for the sake of a few thousand people being transported to Rwanda leaving millions of us with the most dangerous potential precedent in terms of the powers our government has.