Suella Braverman is a danger to the UK and needs to go.

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I thought Suella peaked me with her "lets take tents off homeless people as winter is coming" shite. But her performative cruelty is no longer a surprise.

She has surpassed herself in the last 24 hours and become actively dangerous to police and public with her remarks about protests. She is our Home Secretary. Her job is to keep us safe.

So why the fuck has she done the complete opposite with goady, childish statements about police and protesters?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67364745

What date?

Yes I liked this myself and it seems about right to me.

Once again, another poster whose opinions are never backed up by facts. Prove me wrong, please.

Good on the British Legion. I'm sure they're as disgusted as the rest of us, at Suella Braverman's revolting, attention seeking and dangerous hijacking of Armistice Day to further her own tawdry political ambitions.

I'm not one of the organisers, but if you claim that the route was ever going near the Cenotaph please use your extensive skills to provide a link which confirms that.

Met Police and Westminster City Council (Labour) both deny responsibility for allowing the stage - statements in the link;

“The council told protest organisers that the Metropolitan Police is the agency responsible for determining whether a structure is appropriate in a given location, and permissions lie with them."

“The police asked us to end our demonstration further up Whitehall and that is why the stage was located where it was.”

And as I said earlier, the Police don't allow people to turn up on Whitehall and start erecting structures without any permission.

Whatever her intention or strategy, her views are vile and have no place in the government of any decent country.

And I do still regard the U.K. as a decent country, where the majority of people are tolerant and can have a good life.

She is loathsome.

Suella Braverman doesn't seem to be popular with anyone really.

From YouGov:

SoMuchSimpler
I'm not one of the organisers

Exactly.

And as I said earlier, the Police don't allow people to turn up on Whitehall and start erecting structures without any permission

“Organisers need to apply to local authorities to be given permission for placing any item or structure on their roads. In this instance, that permission would be for consideration by Westminster City Council.

“Met traffic officers would only be involved if the presence of the item is likely to cause danger to other road users, overhanging the carriageway, incorrect signage or if noise/public order issues are occurring.

To be honest, if it's all right with the Royal British Legion if people in Britain exercise their British right to protest for an Armistice on Armistice Day then it's all right with me.

Can you explain why you think she is right and the police are wrong? It's not as if the demonstration is planned for 11 am or to be anywhere near the Cenotaph.

I really dislike the way she claims to be somehow defending people who fought in the world wars. My father thought he was fighting for freedom of speech, he would have no problem with this demonstration.

That would be all great if the support actually existed now, but it doesn't. The way to deal with this problem is to put a high level of support in place - including things like mental health support in the armed forces - to help to prevent the issue arising in the first place as well as to help current rough sleepers. It also needs to include much better staffing of hostels to ensure that they are safe for every occupant.

Braverman's plan, predictably, is to take away shelter first and to hold out the vague promise of some sort of unspecified support at some vague date in the future. Either she is utterly stupid if she can't see the flaw in that plan or, more likely, she can see it perfectly well but doesn't care because she thinks it will be popular. If the plan is allowed through, lives will be at risk.

The organisers claim that the route was never planned to pass the Cenotaph. If you claim differently then please provide one of your links (as you would normally if you had any 'evidence') or alternatively STFU.

Selectively posting paragraphs from an incomplete newspaper report doesn't prove anything. The 'proof' that they were told to build their stage there is that they wouldn't have been allowed to do so without permission. Or maybe you think that any random group of Palestinian sympathisers can turn up a few meters from Metropolitan Police HQ and the Palace of Westminster and build a structure in the middle of the road without any permission from anyone? A bit unlikely don't you think?

The poppy seller allegation has been demonstrated to be a myth. You have to suspect that quite a hefty proportion of allegations of this nature made by the right are equally lacking in any factual foundation.

Utterly vile woman.

verdantverdure
To be honest, if it's all right with the Royal British Legion if people in Britain exercise their British right to protest for an Armistice on Armistice Day then it's all right with me

Have they consulted their members or taken an executive decision?
YouGov's poll indicates that the older generation do not agree with the march taking place tomorrow;

Israel-Palestine and Marches | YouGov / Sky Results 7th - 8th November 2023
Poll of 2080 GB adults asking about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and marches/protests.

Currently there are plans for demonstrations in support of Palestine to take place in London this Saturday, which is also Armistice Day. Do you think the protests should be allowed to go ahead, or should they be banned?

The protests should be banned
65+ 77%
50-64 59%

Link to data table near the bottom of the page;
https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-war-half-of-britons-think-pro-palestinian-marches-should-be-banned-on-armistice-day-poll-finds-13003438

Have they consulted their members or taken an executive decision?
YouGov's poll indicates that the older generation do not agree with the march taking place tomorrow

That's not necessarily an indicator of how British Legion members might vote. * *Within that age group, it's predominantly only a relatively small group of Falklands veterans who have actually seen active service,

Ah, selective cut and pasting again:

Currently there are plans for demonstrations in support of Palestine to take place in London this Saturday, which is also Armistice Day. Do you think the protests should be allowed to go ahead, or should they be banned?

The protests should be banned
65+ 77%
50-64 59%
^^
So deliberately omitting:
25-49 38%
18-24 20%

I think it's highly likely the British Legion statement fully reflects their members' views. In my experience people who have seen the reality of war are the keenest supporters of armistice.

SoMuchSimpler
The organisers claim that the route was never planned to pass the Cenotaph. If you claim differently then please provide one of your links (as you would normally if you had any 'evidence') or alternatively STFU.

You haven't provided a link to your claim and don't be so rude.

I'm claiming that the Met Police instructed the organisers to avoid the Whitehall area and the organisers agreed - not necessarily their original plan;

the police were aware of a "significant demonstration" planned for 11 November, but not Remembrance Sunday, and that organisers were "engaging with our officers and have said they are willing to avoid the Whitehall area, recognising the sensitivities around the date".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67305535

Selectively posting paragraphs from an incomplete newspaper report doesn't prove anything. The 'proof' that they were told to build their stage there is that they wouldn't have been allowed to do so without permission

The statements in the link were quite lengthy and comprehensive - neither the Met Police, nor Westminster City Council (Labour) would say they gave permission for the stage to be erected - both passing the buck. If the Met Police allowed the structure without council permission that rather proves Suella Braverman's point.

SoMuchSimpler
So deliberately omitting:
25-49 38%
18-24 20%

Obviously - my point was concerning the 'older generation'

YouGov's poll indicates that the older generation do not agree with the march taking place tomorrow

What the average age of members in the Royal British Legion?

What's

A higher proportion of those who have served in the armed forces aged 25-49 will have seen active service than those in older age groups and when I have attended Rembrance Day parades the medals and veterans on parade have reflected that.

Why don't you ask them instead of imagining that you know and trying to discredit them.

The Royal British Legion's statement does not surprise me. Our hard won freedoms are Important to them. And I'm sure many of them have had 1st hand experience of living in a tent in Britain or know a colleague who has.

Have people ever been polled- from any age group- as to whether they think the National Front inter alia should be allowed to march past the Cenotaph every year?

One of the points being made is that the Home Secretary should not undermine the police in public. In private, she can have difficult conversations and hold them to account - but as Home Secretary, her comments should not have been made.

We also are policed by consent - and there should be no political interference in operational matters.