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Suella Braverman is a danger to the UK and needs to go.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 09/11/2023 11:04

I thought Suella peaked me with her "lets take tents off homeless people as winter is coming" shite. But her performative cruelty is no longer a surprise.

She has surpassed herself in the last 24 hours and become actively dangerous to police and public with her remarks about protests. She is our Home Secretary. Her job is to keep us safe.

So why the fuck has she done the complete opposite with goady, childish statements about police and protesters?Shock

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67364745

Suella Braverman

Pro-Palestinian protest in London: Row over Suella Braverman’s claim of police bias

The home secretary comes under fire after saying the force often "plays favourites" when policing protests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67364745

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hamstersarse · 10/11/2023 10:02

feedyourheed · 10/11/2023 09:45

Nothing, except that natives of a whole country had to be displaced and kettled in order for it to come to fruition.

I've no quarrel with Israel but zionism was and is the organised takeover of land that others inhabited.

There were thousands of Jewish people moved from Gaza when it was handed over the Palestinians in 2005

The point being that people from both 'sides' were displaced.

topnoddy · 10/11/2023 10:16

I think Sunak ain't got the balls to sack her , or he not being allowed to by others who pull his strings

LittleGlowingOblong · 10/11/2023 10:30

GreekDogRescue · 10/11/2023 09:26

A Zionist is simply someone who believes in Israel’s right to exist.
Do you not believe in Israel’s right to exist?
isn’t that a bit racist?

My remarks were addressed simply to the current context. Braverman clearly cannot make objective decisions regarding marches protesting apartheid and indiscriminate slaughter - lasting for weeks now - in Palestine.

She has close family serving in the IDF. The IDF is committing war crimes. Braverman is breaking the ministerial code in interfering in the operations of the Police.

Isn’t it a bit foolish to suggest that’s racist of me?

MorrisZapp · 10/11/2023 10:32

TodayInahurry · 10/11/2023 07:18

Suella is correct, the majority, outside London want them stopped. They are about intimidation of Jewish and UK people. Gaza is just an excuse. People on MN seem to believe the terrorist group Hamas and its lies

Is Clive Myrie on BBC news a liar? Or is he showing actual scenes of children being bombed, orphaned and traumatised day after day without relief? Hamas are terrorists, nobody believes them, they are killers. But so are we if we allow genocide to happen.

Caththegreat · 10/11/2023 10:37

And she is a mother so all that stuff about parenthood making people more empathetic is bs.

BIossomtoes · 10/11/2023 10:37

TodayInahurry · 09/11/2023 13:32

She is correct. The gutless policing we currently have is a danger to the UK. The far left are just appeasing them

How does that work when the “far left” has no power to appease anyone?

BethDuttonsTwin · 10/11/2023 10:54

Wrong thread.

jgw1 · 10/11/2023 11:01

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 10/11/2023 09:41

Hopefully they'll sweep her away this weekend. Nasty piece of work and wants to achieve a very right wing state. It says something when so many of her colleagues-in a right leaning party at the moment-don't support her. She's a troublemaker, and using Trump style populism on purpose. It wouldn't surprise me if her active supporters were on here banging the drum -there have been a few threads this week.

Interestingly on some of the tent threads they appeared overnight UK time. A bit less evident on this thread, but the pattern is still there.

BethDuttonsTwin · 10/11/2023 11:09

Interestingly on some of the tent threads they appeared overnight UK time. A bit less evident on this thread, but the pattern is still there.

🙄

I live in London and wake almost without fail at 3/3.30 am every night - since menopause. I browse MN & X or read till about 5 when I usually manage to drop off again. I suspect that insomnia applies to many posters on here, but don't let that stop your conspiratorial theories 😁

PissOffKen · 10/11/2023 11:09

She’s absolutely odious, but on this I agree with her. A stopped clock is right twice a day.

SinnerBoy · 10/11/2023 11:32

hamstersarse· Today 10:02

There were thousands of Jewish people moved from Gaza when it was handed over the Palestinians in 2005.

It wasn't handed over, because it wasn't theirs to hand over. They were occupying it illegally, supported by a brutal, oppressive army. Israel realised that it was too costly to maintain them and ordered them to leave.

They then portrayed it as "Oh, look how generous we are."

It's akin to a drunk driver claiming to be generous in paying his fine.

Jason118 · 10/11/2023 11:35

With regard to displacement of peoples, the problem with history in general is that it goes back a long way. People looking there for solutions are looking in the wrong direction.

Morrigandeity · 10/11/2023 11:49

I regularly walked past tents en route to work in Charing Cross, I never felt intimidated or threatened. I also had professional contact with these people, their stories are harrowing; mostly immigrants who were taken advantage of by UK employers predominantly in the building trade, whereby they were refused wages and/ or "housed" in squats in return for work. When they rightly challenged the legality of this, they were fired and subsequently made homeless.
Others were previously in the UK care system, young, traumatised victims of DV witnesses to polysubstance misuse within the home and poor MH. The common denominator in polysubstance misuse is trauma.

Instead of demonising those less fortunate, compassion, kindness and empathy should be shown. Trauma focused care should be the health and social care model adopted to rehabilitate the homeless, their problems are multi-factorial, re-housing is only one facet in their recovery. Access to community and residential rehab treatment in conjunction with ongoing counselling needs to be a priority, but if course funding has been decimated by Tory rule.

Suella's assertion of homelessness being a "lifestyle choice" and removing their tents is beyond cruel and will do nothing other than layer an extra trauma upon them.

She is dangerous, evil and devoid of a moral compass. She needs to be sacked and a GE called sooner rather than later. The whole Tory party is rotten to the core.

Sadly, swathes of people in England ( the only UK country of which I have experience) have been infected by the poisonous rhetoric of the current government. A rhetoric akin to Nazism.

I returned to my home country from England as I felt pushed out due to a huge increase of racism and xenophobia. This is fuelled by Braverman et al.

hamstersarse · 10/11/2023 11:51

SinnerBoy · 10/11/2023 11:32

hamstersarse· Today 10:02

There were thousands of Jewish people moved from Gaza when it was handed over the Palestinians in 2005.

It wasn't handed over, because it wasn't theirs to hand over. They were occupying it illegally, supported by a brutal, oppressive army. Israel realised that it was too costly to maintain them and ordered them to leave.

They then portrayed it as "Oh, look how generous we are."

It's akin to a drunk driver claiming to be generous in paying his fine.

But Gaza could have made it work from there, surely? Instead they elected Hamas and spent all the billions of aid they have been given on arms and tunnels (and leader's mansions).

It isn't a straightforward case of people saying "oh look how generous we are" about Israel, there is also the uncomfortable fact that the elected Palestinian government did nothing to help their people improve their lives since 2005, and squandered all opportunity in the singular pursuit of destroying Israel on religious grounds and lining their own pockets.

I don't know how people can think the state of Gaza is all Israel's fault - they are governed by Hamas, a literal terrorist organisation. Their actions in this current conflict put their people at deliberate risk on the 7th October and they continue to do so to this day. They have never had their own people at the heart of what they do.

hamstersarse · 10/11/2023 11:55

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SoMuchSimpler · 10/11/2023 11:57

@SinnerBoy I just logged in to say exactly that - and that those Israeli settlers had almost exclusively moved into Gaza after 1970, with the express intention of splitting up the Arab lands and gradually occupying the whole region. Much the same as they still do on the West Bank.

Even now there's a campaign for Israeli settlers to be allowed to 'return' to Gush Katif As war with Hamas rages, a campaign gets underway for a return to Gaza's settlements | The Times of Israel

hamstersarse · 10/11/2023 11:58

Morrigandeity · 10/11/2023 11:49

I regularly walked past tents en route to work in Charing Cross, I never felt intimidated or threatened. I also had professional contact with these people, their stories are harrowing; mostly immigrants who were taken advantage of by UK employers predominantly in the building trade, whereby they were refused wages and/ or "housed" in squats in return for work. When they rightly challenged the legality of this, they were fired and subsequently made homeless.
Others were previously in the UK care system, young, traumatised victims of DV witnesses to polysubstance misuse within the home and poor MH. The common denominator in polysubstance misuse is trauma.

Instead of demonising those less fortunate, compassion, kindness and empathy should be shown. Trauma focused care should be the health and social care model adopted to rehabilitate the homeless, their problems are multi-factorial, re-housing is only one facet in their recovery. Access to community and residential rehab treatment in conjunction with ongoing counselling needs to be a priority, but if course funding has been decimated by Tory rule.

Suella's assertion of homelessness being a "lifestyle choice" and removing their tents is beyond cruel and will do nothing other than layer an extra trauma upon them.

She is dangerous, evil and devoid of a moral compass. She needs to be sacked and a GE called sooner rather than later. The whole Tory party is rotten to the core.

Sadly, swathes of people in England ( the only UK country of which I have experience) have been infected by the poisonous rhetoric of the current government. A rhetoric akin to Nazism.

I returned to my home country from England as I felt pushed out due to a huge increase of racism and xenophobia. This is fuelled by Braverman et al.

Just to quote exactly what she said on this:

"Nobody in Britain should be living in a tent on our streets. There are options for people who don't want to be sleeping rough, and the government is working with local authorities to strengthen wraparound support including treatment for those with drug and alcohol addiction.

What I want to stop, and what the law abiding majority wants us to stop, is those who cause nuisance and distress to other people by pitching tents in public spaces, aggressively begging, stealing, taking drugs, littering, and blighting our communities."

SoMuchSimpler · 10/11/2023 12:07

hamstersarse · 10/11/2023 11:58

Just to quote exactly what she said on this:

"Nobody in Britain should be living in a tent on our streets. There are options for people who don't want to be sleeping rough, and the government is working with local authorities to strengthen wraparound support including treatment for those with drug and alcohol addiction.

What I want to stop, and what the law abiding majority wants us to stop, is those who cause nuisance and distress to other people by pitching tents in public spaces, aggressively begging, stealing, taking drugs, littering, and blighting our communities."

That's almost like you deliberately missed out the most offensive statement...

"The British people are compassionate. We will always support those who are genuinely homeless. But we cannot allow our streets to be taken over by rows of tents occupied by people, many of them from abroad, living on the streets as a lifestyle choice."

jgw1 · 10/11/2023 12:16

BethDuttonsTwin · 10/11/2023 11:09

Interestingly on some of the tent threads they appeared overnight UK time. A bit less evident on this thread, but the pattern is still there.

🙄

I live in London and wake almost without fail at 3/3.30 am every night - since menopause. I browse MN & X or read till about 5 when I usually manage to drop off again. I suspect that insomnia applies to many posters on here, but don't let that stop your conspiratorial theories 😁

I don't think I put forward a theory, merely noted a pattern that I had seen.
Your theory that insominiacs largely hold views that support Braverman though is very interesting.

SinnerBoy · 10/11/2023 12:29

But Gaza could have made it work from there, surely? Instead they elected Hamas and spent all the billions of aid they have been given on arms and tunnels (and leader's mansions).

Hamas then proceeded to murder all of the opposition, when it looked as though they'd be ousted. Most people I

Also, vile though Hamas are, 3/4 aren't actually armed radicals. The rest of them run what passes for civil society, trying to get the water and electricity running, overseeing food distribution to the poor, getting medical supplies to hospitals and pharmacies.

When they're not being invaded, it's not total anarchy. Mostly, it's people trying to work and feed their families, not half a million raving nutcases running round shouting "Allahu Akbar!" whilst firing AK-47s in the air.

SinnerBoy · 10/11/2023 12:34

SoMuchSimpler · Today 11:57

I don't find that surprising, Netanyahu has already said that Gaza will be smaller, when they've finished. I didn't realise that they wanted the old illegal settlements back, I suspected that they would take Gaza City.

Clavinova · 10/11/2023 12:45

Morrigandeity
I regularly walked past tents en route to work in Charing Cross, I never felt intimidated or threatened. I also had professional contact with these people, their stories are harrowing; mostly immigrants who were taken advantage of by UK employers predominantly in the building trade, whereby they were refused wages and/ or "housed" in squats in return for work. When they rightly challenged the legality of this, they were fired and subsequently made homeless.

Many of them EU citizens who could use their freedom of movement rights to look for work elsewhere - or return to their home country.

Morrigandeity · 10/11/2023 13:09

It's difficult to pay for flights home when you're homeless and unemployed @Clavinova
Many are not from the EU

TooBigForMyBoots · 10/11/2023 13:14

truetruebarneymcgrew · 09/11/2023 23:45

She seems to have little understanding of poverty, how society runs, and seemingly no idea of history. She's divisive, power hungry and a lamentable public speaker. She reminds me of the Coin character in the hunger games, or possibly a professor Umbridge ahem ahem...
On the positive side she makes the Tories totally unelectable so I think she should stay; always find the positives in life!

She seems to know fuck all about UK law too which isn't a great look for the Home Secretary.

Normally I'd be PSML at the damage she's doing to the Tory party and PM Sunak bending over and taking it, but she is actively endangering people here.

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