Suella Braverman is a danger to the UK and needs to go.

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I thought Suella peaked me with her "lets take tents off homeless people as winter is coming" shite. But her performative cruelty is no longer a surprise.

She has surpassed herself in the last 24 hours and become actively dangerous to police and public with her remarks about protests. She is our Home Secretary. Her job is to keep us safe.

So why the fuck has she done the complete opposite with goady, childish statements about police and protesters?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67364745

This is just rubbish. Can someone just put this fellow traveller of Braverman out of her misery?

You clearly don’t live in central London.
Many people felt too intimidated to wear a poppy, that’s even if you could buy one.

I haven’t seen any for sale this year - many poppy sellers are older people who were intimidated by the anti semitic peace marches.

I am sure things are much less febrile in the sunny bucolic uplands of Mumsnetshire.

But somebody has to reframe this awful narrative that a few oldish white men were the sole disrupters who are responsible for all the ills of the country. Now posters here are accusing them of being drug addicts and taking cocaine without any evidence. It’s ludicrous.

Meanwhile hundreds march with impunity calling for the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people while the police and elites give them a free pass.

It’s snobbish and wrong.

I am sure things are much less febrile in the sunny bucolic uplands of Mumsnetshire. You describe exactly where I live. Plenty of poppy tins here. I'm glad I don't have to encounter either type of 'protester'. They're all twats as far as I'm concerned.

But you don’t say where you live.
I live in south London and have not seen any, despite travelling by tube everyday through mainline stations.
Do you have a source to prove that people didn’t feel intimidated to wear a poppy this year because I have spoken to many who said they did. I felt intimidated too, and didn’t wish to draw attention to myself in this febrile climate.
Also there were many reports of poppy sellers being intimidated at London stations and packing up.
Posters here making falsified accusations against working class men who attended Remembrance Day who allegedly littered the cenotaph with beer cans while high on cocaine are just motivated by snobbery and prejudice.
The police just arrested these guys because it was easier than arresting the hundreds of racist anti semites bearing anti semitic placards which would have caused a riot.
2 tier policing.

I agree with many of your points but the fact was that the men attacked the police.

Woah, I didn’t claim many people were not intimidated to wear a poppy. You made a claim, I asked for a source.

Loads of people on the Peace protest were wearing poppies. Perhaps the thugs should have asked where they got them.

'Peace protest'🙄

There was photo doing the rounds of a bloke showing off his swatsika tattoo wearing a poppy.

No idea if he was from London or working class but clearly a racist.

What would you prefer to call it?

March for Palestine or some such. I'm sure most marched with good intent. Others not so much. What did it achieve?

I'll stick with Peace Protest thanks. Its OK that you don't like it though.

Fair enough

Interesting to accuse posters of being snobs whilst positioning these men as coming only from places where poppies apparently aren't available. Most came in from areas outside London , form places where poppies are readily avaiilable. Many are in organised hooligan football firms; there were arrests for drug possession. These are the same men, many of them, who organised with jibbing of Wembley. It's a fun day trip.

I literally come from Tommy Robinsonshire. I assure you we were awash with poppies.

I have only visited London once during November, so my experience may not be representative, but during that one day visit I saw at least a dozen groups of people selling poppies.

So called 2 tier policing occurs because it’s policing 2 very different events.

There’s a very big difference between the way you police 2000 people who are almost all there for an organised fight particularly aiming for police and the other March and 800’000 people who are mostly peaceful and doing nothing illegal or anti-Semitic but which has pockets of people just there to cause trouble. The sheer numbers make it different for a start even considering anything else.

I've seen loads of poppy sellers.
And curiously, the Royal British Legion didn't seem to think there was a problem

UK police dismiss ‘misleading’ media reports of attacks on poppy sellers | Remembrance Day | The Guardian

Do marches ever achieve anything?

People have marched for many things - and there are usually a lot of people who couldn't march but who agree with the message of the march.

But should people stop marching because they don't achieve anything?

I’ve definitely seen far fewer poppy sellers on my way to work in central London this year. None at the tube stations where they were last year. In fact the only place I saw them was one day only in Waterloo. That’s a v small fraction compared to last year on the same route.

The police just arrested these guys because it was easier than arresting the hundreds of racist anti semites bearing anti semitic placards which would have caused a riot. 2 tier policing.

So, they didn't arrest them because they charged the Police line with metal barriers, throwing missiles at the Police, as well as laying hands on the Police?

Why do you think that they should be allowed to do that? Because it's snobbery not to let working class men attack coppers?

I'm white and working class myself, before you accuse me of being a home brew lentil weaving elite.

Why couldn't they let the veterans have their weekend? No Arabella had to have her Palestinian protest. OK Yah

The RBL had no objections to the peace march

And yet this from the interim director of the poppy appeal:
Taylor-Whyte added: “We’ve got collectors at every mainline London station. We would love to be in more locations across the country, so we are always looking for more volunteers.” When asked about reports that some mainline stations did not have volunteers on site at all times last week, he said volunteers took breaks and had flexible hours, but there was no shortfall compared with previous years.

Well you know, asking for a ceasefire seems kind of fitting with marking the end of a big war. But yeah, keep on with your made up Arabellas.

From the RBL

The British armed forces play a vital role in protecting the rights and freedoms of everyone in UK society, including the right to protest