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OppsUpsSide · 05/11/2023 01:07

Of the two people I knew that were homeless (one I knew very well, the other less so) it was a lifestyle choice, it was linked to substance abuse and they did have a lot of support. Huge amounts, much more than a handful of people and organisations ready and willing to support, houses provided that were trashed and abandoned, both died on the streets but it wasn’t due to a lack of support.
She might sound like a cold-hearted bitch but sometimes reality is cold and nasty and not what you would wish it to be. To deny the reality is nothing more than closeted ignorance.

SinnerBoy · 05/11/2023 01:18

Nice piece of anecdata proving that all homeless people are drug addicts who want to sleep in tents and doorways.

ToWhitToWhoo · 05/11/2023 01:20

She is disgusting.

And for anyone who has defended her attitude to immigrants on the grounds that 'we have to look after our own' - well, we can see how she looks after our own!

Artwhatttt · 05/11/2023 01:26

She’s soulless

Sugarfish · 05/11/2023 01:27

She’s a fucking monster! Does she not realise it’s because of how awful some homeless shelters are that people are choosing to sleep in tents? Does she think they’re like hotels? As for the government supporting homeless people, what a joke!

ToWhitToWhoo · 05/11/2023 01:33

She reminds me of the old sarcastic saying: 'Support the war on poverty- shoot a beggar!'

Hankunamatata · 05/11/2023 01:34

It's a stupid headline grabbing ploy to appease the pearl cluchers who don't want to 'SEE' homeless people in their area

Cariadm · 05/11/2023 01:40

It's Cruella de Braverman's usual thoughtless and callous style of language😡but I think out of all the reasons and 'justifications' she listed when calling for the so call new 'law', and which indicates her main concern, is that 'homeless people' sleeping in tents on the streets would be 'BLIGHTING OUR COMMUNITIES' 😱In other words, and in her vile 'antisocial' mind, they would be cluttering up the place. looking scruffy and untidy and worst of all giving a bad impression to the outside world and making the government look incompetent by default?! NOT that they need any help in that direction but that's another story?! 🤔🙄

Amazon07 · 05/11/2023 01:44

Agreed!! She should live in a tiny fucking cardboard box in the winter and see how she likes it! She is a heartless cunt!

Cariadm · 05/11/2023 01:54

Sugarfish · 05/11/2023 01:27

She’s a fucking monster! Does she not realise it’s because of how awful some homeless shelters are that people are choosing to sleep in tents? Does she think they’re like hotels? As for the government supporting homeless people, what a joke!

Many of the homeless are addicts of one sort or another and Cruella de Braverman is probably totally unaware that most shelters have strict rules about this so a bed for the night is not a possibility for those people who are usually the long term homeless and are known to the 'outreachers' and the staff at the shelters. 😥
There are more in need of shelter than there are places available on a nightly basis and the long term homeless can't even afford to go to a shelter every night as they're not free, so, thanks to Ms Braverman again, you can't beg for money and if you have no other way of getting funds, well, that's it then, no bed for the night! 🙄
The sad truth is, like all the other inept and useless ministers, she has minimal knowledge of the social problems and situations that are the cause of homelessness and this is more than obvious with comments like the 'lifestyle' one?! 😱

NYE2023 · 05/11/2023 01:59

Braverman absolutely disgusts me . Just when you think she cant say or do anything more reprehensible she does it again . Repellent & abhorrent to call it a lifestyle choice .

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 05/11/2023 02:23

and the long term homeless can't even afford to go to a shelter every night as they're not free

I used to live in a university town where you could buy a voucher from the student union and local churches that entitled the bearer to a meal at a soup kitchen and a pricier voucher that would get a bed at a homeless shelter and breakfast in the morning. This alleviated the concern that a cash gift would spent on drugs or alcohol whilst allowing the local people to help individuals into the night shelters.

There was one guy who was non-verbal and should have been in residential adult care, not on the streets. He would get aggressive if you didn't give him anything, which was counter-productive for him and intimidating for everyone else. This was 20 years ago, he's probably dead by now. Helping someone like him into accommodation will be hard if not impossible, but outlawing tents won't make it easier.

Vanillazebra · 05/11/2023 02:23

I live on the west coast of Canada where they don’t have the range of supports the UK has. The camps are dreadful, full of drugs and pretty lawless. The absolutely shouldn’t be allowed. There are other places such as shelters to sleep in the uk and drug treatment programs and a much better social housing programme than North America has. There are options in the UK, a tent should not be one of them.

poorlyarm · 05/11/2023 02:25

But do we want our cities to become like San Fran and LA?

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 05/11/2023 02:33

Vanillazebra · 05/11/2023 02:23

I live on the west coast of Canada where they don’t have the range of supports the UK has. The camps are dreadful, full of drugs and pretty lawless. The absolutely shouldn’t be allowed. There are other places such as shelters to sleep in the uk and drug treatment programs and a much better social housing programme than North America has. There are options in the UK, a tent should not be one of them.

Did you even read the thread? There aren't enough shelter spaces.

A tent that keeps the water and the worst of the wind out and retains some body heat can be the difference between life and death for a rough sleeper on a cold night.

Most housing schemes require you to be off drugs before you can have accommodation. Because rough sleeping isn't exactly conducive to drug cessation, the addicts cannot get accommodation. Rough sleepers are often also mentally-ill and are on street drugs because they are attempting to self-medicate with drugs and alcohol, a disproportionately high number are armed forces veterans, and they are amongst the most vulnerable people in the UK. Don't criminalise them or the people who try to help them, it will only make their lives worse.

poorlyarm · 05/11/2023 02:34

Sometimes harsh measures are needed. She's probably right in most cases.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 05/11/2023 02:35

I see that it's evening o'clock in the USA and all the rightwing Tea Party types have turned up to shill for the rich.

poorlyarm · 05/11/2023 02:37

Yeah I'm a republican. Might as well get the guns on them, hey?Hmm

hoobanoobie · 05/11/2023 02:44

Harsh measures needed? Right in most cases? Yeah because she gets to sleep under a roof every night in her choice of bed and bedding. Let's just rip the roof off the few homeless people who actually have access to a tent to protect themselves from the shitty weather we'll have to endure for months to come. Imagine letting those words swirl around in your mouth before you spit them out to an audience. Stick the bitch in a tent in an exposed area while a named storm rips it off out above her head during the day, knowing that there's no shelter for her at night.

Vanillazebra · 05/11/2023 02:51

Don’t be so rude, I live in a city where this is a problem, and has been a problem. People deserve shelter spaces and drug treatment programmes, this should be a priority not tents

poorlyarm · 05/11/2023 02:53

Well yeah I feel for them I really do but is it not true that people do live there by choice? People have said that. I understand addiction but IF you are given a choice then addiction / MH etc isn't an excuse in my opinion. Freeze or get a fix? Well I know which one I'd choose.

Vanillazebra · 05/11/2023 02:59

You see an individual tent isn’t an issue, it’s when they end up as multiple tents together that the crime and drugs start.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-pattern-of-criminal-activity-emerges-in-urban-areas-with-homeless/

poorlyarm · 05/11/2023 03:04

Blush just to say nothing to do with PP

MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 05/11/2023 03:07

Is she trying to out-cunt Patel?

Can't wait to hear her SOLUTIONS to this issue...