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cardibach · 04/11/2023 22:45

Somanycats · 04/11/2023 21:06

Obviously drug paraphernalia, broken glass, trip hazards, fights, excrement, assaults. No address so hard for paramedics to find them when they are reported overdosed or assaulting each other, hypothermia, fire hazards, dog attacks, animal neglect.How privileged you must be to not even be able to imagine these things. Is it because your life is so rosy that you have never encountered it? Well it does exist so please don't accept it on behalf of others less insulated from real than you who have to live with it in their public spaces

Indeed. And taking away the tent will do what, exactly?

Dibbydoos · 04/11/2023 22:48

Get this government out!

Believeitornot · 04/11/2023 22:48

There’s a difference between a lifestyle choice in terms of “my dream is to live in a tent on the streets” vs “living on the streets is the only security I’ve got in an incredibly chaotic, insecure and crappy life because it’s what I know”.
And she knows that, but is refusing to engage in the idea of trying to empathise and understand.

Maybe people can be supported to find a new community and sense of belonging and moved towards living under a roof. Although it’s not as if this country is flush with housing option. Those who are on the next rung up from being on the streets are stuck in emergency and temporary accommodation.

Instead she, and many other lazy-of-thought, choose to demonise and “other” them. As a proportion of the population, those who sleep rough make up a tiny tiny number. Why is she focussing on a vulnerable minority? Fucking ridiculous.

I am so tired of this government and their lazy approach to government.

jgw1 · 04/11/2023 22:49

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 04/11/2023 21:23

I look forward to hearing Braverman's plans to actually resolve these issues.

Banning boats was hugely successful as will be banning tents.

SinnerBoy · 04/11/2023 22:50

A lifestyle choice, eh?

Like Oxford or Cambridge, banking or medicine?

A PP mentioned a case of a homeless man being given accommodation and a job and returning to live in a tent, because he earned more. I'm quite sceptical about such stories, not least because it feeds the false narrative of, "They all make £500 a day!"

KCandtheSunlightBand · 04/11/2023 22:51

How many of you have had to deal with the situations I described just to get into your work place? Would you deal with that for minimum wage, or frankly for any money? If you are all happy about it then I suggest you invite them to camp outside your front door and you can deal with the vomit , piss, shit and aggression.

I cannot believe that some of you are actually arguing to retain homelessness, tents on our streets and all the drugs, alcohol abuse and anti social behaviour that goes along with it.

What are your solutions to the problem?

Gnomegarden32 · 04/11/2023 22:56

There isn’t much of a bright side to such a vile person saying such a vile thing but I did think when I saw it that this means the Tory dregs are finally on their way out - it’s too stupid, cruel and like a cariature of an evil politician to appeal to anyone but the most deranged. I mean, it’s 2023 not 1823 - most people understand homelessness is a bit more f*ing complicated than that!

Believeitornot · 04/11/2023 22:56

KCandtheSunlightBand · 04/11/2023 22:51

How many of you have had to deal with the situations I described just to get into your work place? Would you deal with that for minimum wage, or frankly for any money? If you are all happy about it then I suggest you invite them to camp outside your front door and you can deal with the vomit , piss, shit and aggression.

I cannot believe that some of you are actually arguing to retain homelessness, tents on our streets and all the drugs, alcohol abuse and anti social behaviour that goes along with it.

What are your solutions to the problem?

Don’t be ridiculous. Honestly.

people are not suggesting that we retain homelessness. They’re saying that taking tents away doesn’t work. It is quite simply not a coincidence that homelessness has gone up under this conservative government who have cut the resources which would rescue the problem considerably.

I have been shocked at the increase in numbers.

To tackle it, you need this government to invest. But they don’t, and they won’t, and instead they think removing tents is the answer.

Labour reduced rough sleeping. They managed it because they spent money on public services!

usernamealreadytaken · 04/11/2023 22:58

SeaPool · 04/11/2023 21:14

"We cannot allow our streets to be taken over by rows of tents occupied by people, many of them from abroad, living on the streets as a lifestyle choice."

See what she's doing here?

Yes, she’s indicating that some people come from places other than the UK, expect the UK to be a bed of roses and find that it’s not, and they can’t afford to support themselves, and that we can’t either.

cardibach · 04/11/2023 22:58

KCandtheSunlightBand · 04/11/2023 22:51

How many of you have had to deal with the situations I described just to get into your work place? Would you deal with that for minimum wage, or frankly for any money? If you are all happy about it then I suggest you invite them to camp outside your front door and you can deal with the vomit , piss, shit and aggression.

I cannot believe that some of you are actually arguing to retain homelessness, tents on our streets and all the drugs, alcohol abuse and anti social behaviour that goes along with it.

What are your solutions to the problem?

Nobody is arguing to retain homelessness ffs.
People are saying that taking the tents away isn’t the answer.

Believeitornot · 04/11/2023 23:00

usernamealreadytaken · 04/11/2023 22:58

Yes, she’s indicating that some people come from places other than the UK, expect the UK to be a bed of roses and find that it’s not, and they can’t afford to support themselves, and that we can’t either.

Actually you’ll find that some people who come from overseas are not allowed to work, they’re not allowed to claim benefits and therefore end up homeless.

This country is run by cunts.

JadeandGreen · 04/11/2023 23:01

Fizzadora · 04/11/2023 20:08

Well you are all frothing at the mouth but you have a post above from an expert who works in homelessness who has clarified that actually in many, many cases, it is a lifestyle choice.
Now what?

It may be "a lifestyle choice" for some once they are actually IN that situation, but NO ONE sits in their nice warm house and decides, do you know what, I think I'd prefer to go sleep on the pavement in a tent! Something got them there in the first place, and anyone who can't see further than this one dimensional view of homelessness is repulsive!

Believeitornot · 04/11/2023 23:02

JadeandGreen · 04/11/2023 23:01

It may be "a lifestyle choice" for some once they are actually IN that situation, but NO ONE sits in their nice warm house and decides, do you know what, I think I'd prefer to go sleep on the pavement in a tent! Something got them there in the first place, and anyone who can't see further than this one dimensional view of homelessness is repulsive!

^This

Im convinced more and more that the likes of Suella are genuinely lacking in emotional intelligence. Something is missing, they probably grasp that they’re a bit unintelligent and get angry. Then misdirect that anger at tents or boats.

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 04/11/2023 23:10

RealOP · 04/11/2023 22:37

Walk down Oxford Street or The Strand and you'll see literally camps of rough sleepers in tents. The vast majority of those people are not British. And by that I do not mean they are not white (before anyone accuses me of being racist), but they are actual foreigners with foreign passports and who don't speak English.

Why cone to this country to sleep in tents? Do we seriously have to pretend the homeless camps are not a blight on our civilisations?

But I don't think anyone is arguing that homelessness isn't an issue, for a number of reasons.

Just that if all you're doing is taking away tents, that isn't really a solution. Put in other measures to deal with it, and let them have tents while you do that. Don't pretend that just taking away a tent suddenly solves a problem.

Sirzy · 04/11/2023 23:11

Ds is 13, his words when seeing this was “she doesn’t speak for me. All she is doing is talking sterotypes” - he got that spot in IMO

CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 04/11/2023 23:13

KCandtheSunlightBand · 04/11/2023 22:51

How many of you have had to deal with the situations I described just to get into your work place? Would you deal with that for minimum wage, or frankly for any money? If you are all happy about it then I suggest you invite them to camp outside your front door and you can deal with the vomit , piss, shit and aggression.

I cannot believe that some of you are actually arguing to retain homelessness, tents on our streets and all the drugs, alcohol abuse and anti social behaviour that goes along with it.

What are your solutions to the problem?

What is your solution? Because it can't just be take away a tent.

No one is saying homelessness should stay! The town where I live doesn't really have many tents. It does have people sleeping in shop doorways though, without tents. Almost as if them not having a tent doesn't actually prevent the issues you are talking about.

FatCatatPaddingtonStation · 04/11/2023 23:16

It is not as simple as providing hostel spaces, that’s the thing. As a PP said, many homeless people have never had the life chances that those bought up stable, functioning families have had. Most hostels are understaffed and thus unsafe places. And people can’t go into mainstream housing without support.

Most of the homeless community will need specialist support for a range of challenges - MH, addictions, LD, physical health, literacy and language, job accessibility. Such services have also been decimated - it is a 2 year wait for a MH appointment in many areas and many homeless people would not be able to keep an appointment without support in any case. If we want less homeless, less crime, less anti social behaviour and so on, there has to be an approach of properly funded, specialist support and services for vulnerable people. The problem is that Governments are not stable, and PMs are led by a need for voters and popularity. So even if such initiative are started, they’ll just as easily be changed / stopped by the next PM/ political party.

And let’s face it, this isn’t a popular choice for the middle England voters and those that consider the homeless community as the underserving poor because it will mean greater taxes.

Most people cannot see the bigger picture in terms of the impact on society as a whole if we do not support those most vulnerable.

MrsCat1 · 04/11/2023 23:16

Vile woman. Completely lacking in empathy. I support vulnerable people in the community which often involves trying to help them look for accommodation. For some it is almost impossible to find anything and despite our best efforts they can end up sleeping rough. Hostels are overflowing. Almost no social housing. Almost impossible to find private accommodation as there is always a queue of more desirable tenants. It's a national disgrace. And yes it is a very complex problem which has gone from bad to worse.

Lifeomars · 04/11/2023 23:17

Just when you think she can't sink any lower, she outdoes herself. Homelessness is so complex and multi-faceted but one thing I am sure of is that it is not a "lifestyle choice". The reasons for it are as different as the people experiencing it. I have never seen it so bad where I live, we have a group of rough sleepers camping out in the door way of a closed down bank near me. They have tents, a (dangerous) stove, a couple of dogs, and yes, they are often off their faces. Apart from the utter wretchedness of it, the sight of them camping out at the disused bank has a terrible symbolism for our society

usernamealreadytaken · 04/11/2023 23:19

Believeitornot · 04/11/2023 23:00

Actually you’ll find that some people who come from overseas are not allowed to work, they’re not allowed to claim benefits and therefore end up homeless.

This country is run by cunts.

Are you confusing asylum seekers with immigrants? Immigrants come to this country legally and can work, if they cannot find work then why are they here, and why should we pay for them to just be here? Asylum seekers are given accommodation.

jgw1 · 04/11/2023 23:26

usernamealreadytaken · 04/11/2023 23:19

Are you confusing asylum seekers with immigrants? Immigrants come to this country legally and can work, if they cannot find work then why are they here, and why should we pay for them to just be here? Asylum seekers are given accommodation.

In the interests of factual accuracy I would like to pont out that asylum seekers also come to the UK or indeed any other country they choose to seek asylum in legally.

HaveALaff · 04/11/2023 23:29

I work in a mental health hospital. I have seen homeless people pretend to have illnesses so that they can have a safe place to stay and also food. It's so sad and awful.

I'm sure they do suffer from plenty of mental health illnesses but the fact they need to play on this to have shelter is shocking. Many of them also do this so they can be fast-tracked to be homed.

blacksax · 04/11/2023 23:31

Fizzadora · 04/11/2023 20:08

Well you are all frothing at the mouth but you have a post above from an expert who works in homelessness who has clarified that actually in many, many cases, it is a lifestyle choice.
Now what?

I saw this news report earlier and was appalled by it.

Seems to me that some vulnerable people feel safer on the streets than cooped up in a hostel surrounded by other residents (who may be aggressive or suffering from mental health/drug issues), who make their life even more intolerable than it already is.

That's not exactly what I'd call a lifestyle choice - it is self-preservation.

This government sickens me.

MrsSchrute · 04/11/2023 23:32

HaveALaff · 04/11/2023 23:29

I work in a mental health hospital. I have seen homeless people pretend to have illnesses so that they can have a safe place to stay and also food. It's so sad and awful.

I'm sure they do suffer from plenty of mental health illnesses but the fact they need to play on this to have shelter is shocking. Many of them also do this so they can be fast-tracked to be homed.

Some of the people I know who sleep rough do the same, but with prison. They will commit a petty crime because they know then they will have somewhere warm and dry to stay for a month or so, and maybe a chance of getting clean.

LuluBlakey1 · 04/11/2023 23:33

And still people defend the Tories and vote for them:
Brexit
NHS- on the point of destruction since they came to power
Pandemic handled disastrously
Education teetering on disaster- can't recruit enough teachers, recruits not high enough quality
Lettuce Liz and the farce she was- cost us hundreds of millions in 7 weeks of office
Johnson- proven to be an outright liar, lied to HM The Queen, his own staff have now humiliated him by talking about his leadership

National debt is the highest by billions it has ever been
Policing is shambolic and recruitment is poor
Our armed forces are so small and inadequately equipped we could not even defend ourselves
Housing is a disaster
Water supplies are a disaster
Energy costs are a disaster
Yet more millionaires and billionaires have been created in the last 5 years than ever before
More people live in poverty than at any time since in 1930s
More Tory MPS suspended over sex offences than ever before in a single parliament
Mortgage rates and interest rates at their highest for decades
Public housing at it's lowest
Highest number of people who own more than 2 houses ever in our history- and there are people who own thousands of houses and make fortunes from the extortionate rents paid by benefits and people who can not get a mortgage but spend an inordinate % of their income paying these rents- which pay off landlord mortgages on these houses.
Our economy is shot
Our manufacturing industry is shot
The environment is in a complete mess and we have no sensible policy to protect or repair it
We have regressed decades on animal protections and welfare
Thousands of our school buildings are dangerous
Free School Meals disgrace
Immigration shambolic
And now this about homeless people

And still rich, greedy, snobby idiots vote Tory. It is indefensible

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