The thing is... it's "men", though, isn't it. It's always men.

[Wilferton]

It's only really dawned on me in recent years. The conversations we all have about what "countries" or "states" are doing to eachother, the terrible crimes against women, animals and children, particularly the sexually motivated ones. It's men. We're not talking about what a particular state or country has done, we're talking about what men have done.

So now, when I click onto my news app, I find myself thinking "What have the men done now."

I feel sad that I can only really now see it this way. Actually sad for many reasons.

@WiffleBallBat
not for long though

unless he's though of a way to send sperm back, from wherever they're going

Yes, this.

Posters will probably say this is a whatabboutary list, but the fact still stands that women are also capable of horrendous acts.

Of course they are. They aren't really on the same scale as men though are they in terms of stats.

The issue is the men making these big world altering decisions are like 0.000001% ( or less) of the male population so whilst its potentially always men making these decisions about War your everyday man isn't responsible or can't change anything so it's a bit shit to hold it against them

You mean apart from the holocaust. Women played a key role in running the camps. Or are you talking about male leadership? because realistically without followers those plans wouldn't happen.

But @Mouldyfoodhelp for example, when Iran went from freedom for women in the 1970s to none (ish), if most of the normal husbands/father's hadn't gone along with that and supported it could it have been imposed? Only recently have men there started supporting the women trying to break free from the religious structures and coming to their aid in the street when accosted by religious clerics etc that is when change happens.

Or perhaps Margaret Thatcher and the Falklands War in which over 900 people died?

A small percentage of men with specific personality traits.

I don’t think it’s a small %

Point is, yes predominantly male aggression has contributed to global atrocities. But it's unrealistic to say if women ran the world we wouldn't have wars or conflict. That is far too simplistic a view.

A better argument would be why, when the world has so many available resources are we so badly managing them as a global society, alongside the ineffective distribution of wealth.

But if a mushroom poisoner had been a man do you think anyone would have been interested apart from wondering where they got the mushrooms and why a man was doing the cooking? It certainly wouldn’t have engendered the interest that the (alleged, I don’t think it has come to trial yet) mushroom poisoner being a woman has.

As PP have said women are not the ones out starting wars, raping and murdering women, children and other men for that matter. It doesn't matter that your DH or son or whoever it is a nice man who wouldn't do such things, nor does it matter you know some mean woman at work, being a gossip or unkind isn't the same as starting wars, oppressing a whole sex for most of history or being responsible for 99% of sexual crimes, that all down to men.

I don't think the issue is the outliers. The supremely evil. It's day to day life. It's men who are selfish and thoughtless and looking after number one in the workplace. It's the men who disregard the contribution the mother of their child makes to the family. It's men who don't think about the care of older relations. It's men who just don't think about how life works on a micro level. It's just men being shit.

I’ve often thought this. Could basically make the streets safe at night by not allowing men out after dark. I’d love to be able to go for a walk at night and not know that the murderers rapists and muggers are also wandering about.

The Gate to Women’s Country is a very good fiction book on all this.

It is almost always men. I don't believe the % is as small as we would like either, purely because of the % of women who have experienced sexual abuse is so high.

We live in a patriarchy. Still. Am not aware of any significant matriarchal society ever. I know there are a few small scale historical ones.

We need more women in politics. Except Suella.

Exactly. After recent high profile cases i was incensed to see the view that women should be shut up at home until the streets are safe. No! Enough with the victim blaming. Why not limit men, as that would make it safe for women to be out.

Men need to start calling out men,

The wars are all men's wars. Bloody men and their wars.

would the world ruled by women improve society and why ?

Yes, because low level bitching is the same as all the killing, rape and torture

For those naming individual women, I'm not suggesting that women can't also be utter arseholes, but what I'm saying is that when you hear of children being sexually abused, women murdered walking home, puppies being raped and tortured, do you not automatically assume that these crimes have been perpetrated by men? Are you ever surprised that it always is a man?

When you get in the car and check the back seat for a murderer you're not checking to see if a woman is there, are you. Ok silly example, but maybe you get my point.

When we talk about political differences, or going to war, what we're actually talking about is a bunch of men - or in fact multiple groups of men - running around raping, torturing and killing women and children. We're not talking about anything noble or ideological.

And yes the inclusion of the occasional woman in these crimes doesn't negate the fact that this type of behaviour is always carried out by men. My experience is that when you look at women who have somehow been involved in horrendous sexual crimes, for example, you often eventually encounter - somewhere in their background - abuse by a man, as a contributory factor.

I don't include Suella in this. No idea what's going on with her.

Brava.

I just don't think its fair to tar all men with the same brush. And I say that as someone who has experienced sexual abuse. No one has been more instrumental in my recovery than my male counsellor who has been nothing but kind, compassionate and utterly furious on my behalf.

When they moan about women being a certain way we all cry sexist. Then I'm the same breath it's 'all men are raping murdering scum who should have a curfew'

You can't have it both ways.

I don't think anyone is saying that.

And I'm sorry for what has happened to you.

Recently hosted two teenage parties one all girls one mixed. The mixed one was a fucking nightmare with permanent damage to property and Dh and I left quite scared. The all girl one had singing and shrieking but not even a glass broken. And zero edge of menace whatsoever.

Nobody is tarring all men with the same brush. That’s like someone saying “have you noticed it’s almost always cats meowing” and someone else saying BUT SOME PEOPLE MEOW AND NOT ALL CATS ARE VOCAL. Silly example but you get my drift. I’ve experienced extensive abuse from a woman, and the people who have helped me notice and deal with it have mainly been males. That doesn’t change the fact that I can open any newspaper any day and see the evidence that the world is completely screwed up by a group which is in the vast majority men.