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Matthew Perry has died

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catnipevergreen · 29/10/2023 01:48

I'm absolutely devasted if this is true

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YogaLite · 29/10/2023 19:19

@crumblingschools, with you there! No hot pools for us ☹️

VisaWoes · 29/10/2023 19:39

This is a comment from the cranberry post which was made a week ago. People were picking up on something seeming wrong. There’s similar comments on the Batman posts, asking if he’s ok.

Matthew Perry has died
echt · 29/10/2023 20:10

Addiction is what Matthew Perry was about. It was not at all "a poor choice" but who he was. Every news report focuses on its central role in his life. Not sure what you think "bias" is but it's not relevant here. If you only want to share positive views about him, why not try a fan site?

What a statement, managing to be both fatuous and arrogant at the same time. Did you know Matthew Perry to say "who he was" and what he "was about"? Thought not. The focus of news reports is hardly a reflection of the essential person, it's the media's choice.

Mistressofnone · 29/10/2023 20:16

This is such sad news. Like many others, Friends was always my go-to when I needed distraction or cheering up. I often thought how strange it would be to watch if any of the lead cast passed away. Chandler and Ross were my favourite characters.

Matt Perry must have been the youngest castmate. I did wonder if there was something behind his strange posts lately - I thought he was gearing up to announce a new project or something.

porridgeisbae · 29/10/2023 20:21

Addiction is what Matthew Perry was about. It was not at all "a poor choice" but who he was. Every news report focuses on its central role in his life.

It's not like he didn't have a career (when he was able) as well as an addiction. Of course the papers will report salacious stuff - it's what they do, and his decline was shocking to see, even once we'd seen it before.

It's not like he was the wealthy equivalent of the Chav King or something- he did other stuff too, including acting, writing and production.

It's wrong to define someone 100% by their addiction/problem; perhaps unless all they do all day is try and score/get wasted. He did do other stuff intermittently when able.

Starboy14 · 29/10/2023 20:30

What a sad ending for a very talented actor. He was always my favourite 'Friend'. I loved his friendship with Joey, and his sarky sense of humour.

Rest in peace Matthew Perry.

mathanxiety · 29/10/2023 21:43

Antst · 29/10/2023 17:46

It's a relatively new thing in the UK to hear people say that even privileged people can suffer. As I said in another post, I find that attitudes towards addiction and mental health are a long way behind. In the US, there has been awareness of depression and addiction for much longer. It's not news that even the privileged have problems.

What I'm saying (and it's also not new in the US) is that there's a point where it's impossible not to notice that someone who has access to every possible resource has chosen nothing but self indulgence and infliction of pain on loved ones.

I don't think at all that privileged people like Matthew Perry assume they're Teflon. It's that they don't think anything. They choose to do nothing but indulge themselves. There's no such thing as being brought back down to Earth when there's never a shortage of money for rehab or housing or a break from work.

That's the part that's so striking about these people for me. A total lack of interest of awareness in anything. Yet until the pandemic when the Black Lives Matter movement took off, they were the ones who got every opportunity.

I do think you're right that there's a similar phenomenon in the UK among people who binge-drink. There's just not a lot going on for people who do it. For most though, there aren't the opportunities and resources that Matthew Perry had.

It's very natural to lose patience with relatives or friends who seem hell-bent on self-destruction. It's profoundly irrational, and it exposes our own powerlessness and reminds us of our own weakness. Maybe this is something we don't like to think about. Maybe it's something we fear.

Addicts lie, steal, manipulate, and blame others. I have a couple of relatives who have been there - one in recovery and one still bumping along on the bottom. I've seen and heard the lies and the evasions, the self-pity and self-justification, and the refusal to take full responsibility for the carnage they left and continue to leave in their wake. The zeal of the converted when in recovery is painful to witness too. So much swinging of the pendulum, so little balance...

I live in the US and I don't think the UK is too far behind the US in perception and understanding of addiction, or maybe a better way to put it is I don't think the US is that far ahead of the curve in this area. Access to mental health services is not great in either healthcare system, but drugs both legal and illegal are freely available. Once those suckers get a hold, getting clean isn't always a matter of choice.

Rehab isn't guaranteed to have an effect because of a raft of factors working on an individual basis. It's not a one size fits all solution to the complex issues at play with each addict. Twelve Step programs can be all some individuals require, but they're not going to help everyone. People are very complex, and the factors that turn them into addicts or into recovering addicts are present in different combinations in each one. The interplay of biology and genetics and environment is one we can't always predict or control.

It's certainly fine to express exasperation at the behaviour of an addict and to protect yourself or your children from the harm they frequently do. It's the responsible response imo. But it's not an area where a non addict can claim any moral superiority or superior common sense or intelligence or ability to keep your feet on the ground.

Addiction doesn't choose its victims purely from the privileged, and privilege is no match for addiction when the addict tries to get sober. The idea that it should be easier for someone to recover if they have financial resources to throw at it or more to live for doesn't hold water, nor does the implication that the privileged addict has chosen self-indulgence over a meaningful life whereas the poor one has perhaps more of an excuse.

At a basic level, the opposite of addiction is not sobriety, it's connection, connection to the reality of yourself and your life, and connection to your family and wider society. It's a profoundly isolating and isolated experience, a malaise with a spiritual dimension (not in a religious sense) as well as biological and psychological. Judging does nothing for the addict trying to re-establish connection or wondering if seeking connection is worth it. Fine to vent though.

WoollyBat · 29/10/2023 21:44

Addiction is what Matthew Perry was about.

That's an awful thing to say, poor guy. It wasn't what he wanted to be "about", he fought it very hard, and while doing his best to deal with it he became one of the highest-paid actors on TV, one of the best comedic actors of his generation, known worldwide and brought millions of people happiness. He starred in loads of other things too, wrote a memoir and tried to help others with the same kinds of problems. It's an amazing career and all the more so considering how much he struggled.

And he's hardly the first famous entertainer to have substance abuse issues - it's extremely common.

BoothsChristmasBook · 29/10/2023 21:50

Goodness me. I've come back to this thread to find it overrun with knobheads intent on making it about themselves.

Whatever happened to simply acknowledging the sadness when someone passes?

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Ilovepugs2017 · 29/10/2023 22:25

Anyone else unable to listen to the theme tune without choking up? 😢

Ilovepugs2017 · 29/10/2023 22:30

Friends had such a big impact on my life growing up and holds so many nice memories for me - particularly watching it with my Nan & she used to buy me the new dvd every year for Xmas. The emotional aspect of that seeing as she’s no longer here and the fact MP has now gone. It’s insane - I actually didn’t expect it to hit me as much as it has as in reality he is just an actor I’ve obviously never met.

Mindovermatter247 · 29/10/2023 22:31
Sad Season 2 GIF by Friends

I’m gutted, not just because he played chandler who without a doubt was my favourite and 100% the best character on friends. But he was as talented as they come in terms of wit and comedy. I watched him in several movies, I loved his arc in the good wife even if he was a condescending dick. I’ve read his book, my grandparents and my MIL were alcoholics so I know what damage it can inflict on both the person and those around you. A passage from his book really resonates with me…

“I felt like I was gonna die if the live audience didn’t laugh, and that’s not healthy for sure. But I could sometimes say a line and the audience wouldn’t laugh and I would sweat and sometimes go into convulsions,” Perry wrote. “If I didn’t get the laugh I was supposed to get I would freak out. I felt that every single night. This pressure left me in a bad place. I also knew of the six people making that show, only one of them was sick.”

This flawed me when I read his book, the fact that one of the most funny, charismatic actors felt like this when he was essentially making the whole world laugh. One of the best actors of his generation, of an era where there were no snowflakes and no one got offended. In my opinion the funniest guy on prime time and friends would have no way been the same without him.

WeWereInParis · 29/10/2023 22:38

I loved his arc in the good wife even if he was a condescending dick.

Oh yes I loved him in The Good Wife playing a baddie.

Bbq1 · 29/10/2023 23:19

Some truly vile and horrific responses on a condolence thread. Those making the cruel and unfeeling posts clearly have ZERO understanding of addiction and how and why people can become addicts. It's so complicated and different for every person struggling. I suggest those of you with no understanding go and educate yourselves on addiction and this thread can be the memorial thread i think it was intended to be.

TheWristBoundLatexBitch · 30/10/2023 00:06

Like many others I grew up with friends, I still remember watching (and crying!) at the last episode when it was on (-and I still do every single time I watch). Friends is my comfort. It's the only show I can watch over and over again and still laugh (and cry) at. I have never been upset like this at a celebrity death before, although I did also get quite upset at James Michael Tyler too but not like this. Unfortunately I cannot control my emotional response and just simply turn it off. So yes I am sad and feeling quite low today. RIP Miss Chanadler Bong.

ManAboutTown · 30/10/2023 00:43

It's interesting reading the way people grew up with Friends. Never interested me although I've seen quite a lot of it as my kids loved it.

Think MASH fills the same sort of role for me - funny, sad, poignant

TheWristBoundLatexBitch · 30/10/2023 00:58

ManAboutTown · 30/10/2023 00:43

It's interesting reading the way people grew up with Friends. Never interested me although I've seen quite a lot of it as my kids loved it.

Think MASH fills the same sort of role for me - funny, sad, poignant

The thing with Friends is it seems to be popular across generations, it's always there and never looses popularity.

And I think this is why there is a LOT of people struggling with the death of Matthew Perry.

GodDammitCecil · 30/10/2023 01:11

The man clearly had severe abandonment issues, which contributed to so many different facets of his life - his need to be liked and get the laughs, the self-sabotage when it came to relationships, and of course, his addiction.

Friends was my 20s. It started in a dismal student flat when I had just turned 20, and ended when I’d just turned 30 and met DH. I came of age with it, and I was living that time of life when you’re single, in the city and your friends are your family. If you weren’t around at the time, you can’t really appreciate what it meant to the zeitgeist, and to our generation. Binge-watching re-runs on Netflix is not the same.

I honestly can’t believe some of the posts on this thread. He spent millions and millions of dollars on rehab. He tried to get better. But he was, as he freely admitted, a flawed human being (human being, being the core point). If it were as simple as not becoming addicted to substances, then no-one would be an addict. But millions of people, so clearly it’s not that simple.

I also think the outpouring of grief is in stark contrast to his actual life, where he was clearly alone. People utterly loved him, they just weren’t there for him.

RIP finally, Matty.

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TrashedSofa · 30/10/2023 08:33

We watched a bit of friends last night - it was one of those evenings where there wasn't much in, Friends is always on a channel and it's easier to dip in and out of.

I think that's a lot of the reason for the enduring popularity, two decades after it finished. It's easy viewing when you feel like something for half an hour.

pearshapedmim · 30/10/2023 10:34

Friends is my therapy - I'm just coming out of a domestic abuse marriage and friends is what I watch to take my mind off things.

I am that person who has watched every episode so many times as a teenager. Now I have a daughter and we sit and watch it together.

It won't be the same watching it now. It's unbelievably sad.

However I read something earlier which states Matthew knew he would always be remembered for friends. He was ok with that. But what he wanted was to be remembered for how he helped people despite not always being able to help himself.

I'm so sorry for what he went through.

Lattims83 · 30/10/2023 13:01

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 29/10/2023 11:15

It's really common to drown in a bath or hot tub when you're high, the heat affects blood pressure and brings on dizziness ,look at Whitney Houston and her daughter. I watched a grim autopsy programme about it. Given his history and recent bizarre Instagram posts I think it's a fair assumption.

I thought I read something about no drugs/alcohol found in his system and police responded to a call about cardiac arrest. I might be mistaken.

porridgeisbae · 30/10/2023 14:19

I thought I read something about no drugs/alcohol found in his system and police responded to a call about cardiac arrest.

No drugs were found at the scene, but they wouldn't know whether he'd taken or drunk anything without doing an autopsy or something.