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Help me with this mum friend

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StrenghtAndFlavour · 24/10/2023 07:14

I don't want to write a very long post about the ins and outs but there is a friend from my home country who I used to be reasonably close friends with. I met her in the UK but she moved back home from the UK about 5 years ago, however she still visits several times a year. Our dc used to be friendly but they have all grown into teens and tweens and mine focus on their own school friends, here in the UK, whom they are rarely able to meet up with due to school and lots of extra curricular activities during term time. DH and I working FT etc. We have an insanely busy family schedule and are only rarely able to socialise with friends, even those we are close to but we do have a small group of friends whom we see regularly, maybe every 4-6 weeks.

Whenever this woman comes to the UK, she drops me an email saying we're coming, let's meet up. She always wants to meet as a family but we don't have the time (or by now the inclination really) to meet as a family. Family meet ups would always be at ours even before they moved away, take hours and just feel too much overall. Especially now that the dc are all older and don't necessarily gel in the same way as when they were little.

If I tell her I can meet for lunch etc, she tells me her dc will be disappointed. When I don't reply to her announcement that she coming to visit the UK soon enough, she texts my dh or her dc texts my dc to ask to meet up.

I can't and don't want to accommodate family get togethers. What do I do? Fade out gently? Be upfront, but how to do this tactfully? She got rather cross with me by text message when I said that only I can meet with her this time, telling me I'm being stubborn. She also got her dc to text mine to check if they want to meet after I had told her that my dc are busy with plans to meet their school friends and won't be able to meet her dc this time. This really annoyed me as I had explicitly said that I can meet her for lunch but that my dc will not be able to meet as they already have plans. Did they expect a different reply? Or did they not believe me that my dc are busy?

Please help me solve this with as little drama as possible, I am feeling stressed and annoyed by her insistence.

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StrenghtAndFlavour · 24/10/2023 07:20

however she still visits the UK* several times a year. They have a flat here.

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StrenghtAndFlavour · 24/10/2023 07:47

Any advice? 🙏

Not sure I want to give up on the friendship altogether as it's all a bit one sided. But she needs to know not to expect family get togethers and certainly not push for them by contacting all the family. She arrives in the UK and expects us to just pick up we where left off months before, with no word or interaction in between. I'm feeling put off tbh.

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Planesplanesplanes · 24/10/2023 07:52

She says “my kids will be disappointed” you say “That’s a shame. Where do you fancy going for lunch with me? How about old haunt or the new place?”.

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WorkingItOutAsIGo · 24/10/2023 07:53

I worry about your insanely busy family schedule - it sounds like none of you make time for friendships. What are you all doing - is it work? Hobbies? Sport?

given you say you only see friends every 4-6 weeks that means you are probably only seeing people 8-10 times a year and it sounds like this friend is asking for 3 or 4 meet ups, so disproportionately many relative to your other friends. You just have to bite the bullet and say you can’t meet on her next visit at all, but say let’s plan something for the one after. The trouble is your life has moved on, but she thinks of everything being the same as it was when she left, which is unrealistic.

Forgotmycoat · 24/10/2023 08:05

The key is that she doesn't bother to get in contact except when wanting to meet up on her UK visits. it's all on her terms isn't it?
did you not get annoyed and say something when she called you stubborn last time? if she gets in contact again, just say we're busy and have other plans, and refuse to engage further with this overbearing woman who doesn't really sound like a friend. Your dc and husband should say the same. She seems to forget you have lives and other things going on.

Forgotmycoat · 24/10/2023 08:08

She sounds like a taker if meetups only ever happened at yours even before they moved away, did she never reciprocate and host at hers? not much of a friend is she?

if you want to meet, insist on going out for lunch with just her, ignore the guilt tripping re her dc. why should you always have to host her family?

Stresa22 · 24/10/2023 08:11

Is she American? It sounds like she is and that she’s is trying to maintain the connection between the families, which is completely understandable. But you don’t seem to like her very much and you don’t come across well using your children as an excuse. Just tell her you feel like the friendship has run its course/

Chalkdowns · 24/10/2023 08:17

She sounds pushy. If you can’t meet then you can’t meet. Or you can decide what you can manage. But I’m not sure you can remain friends with someone if you don’t ever want to meet up with them!

Bunda · 24/10/2023 08:22

I think she sounds normal. Also fine if you all can't make it every time she's here. But it is odd that you can't find time to be together as a family and get together with some old friends? If you don't really like her then that's okay, fade out but don't make excuses.

StrenghtAndFlavour · 24/10/2023 08:42

She says “my kids will be disappointed” you say “That’s a shame. Where do you fancy going for lunch with me? How about old haunt or the new place?”.

I did this, she was not happy, calling me stubborn and apparently wanting things on my terms, even though I had explained that I am busy with work but can nip out for a couple of hours but my free time doesn't overlap with the dc's. This is mad as in the past, I have hosted her and her family for hours and hours and even, at times, given her lifts to and from her holiday apartment in England. Saying I can only meet by myself made her cross and a bit rude.

I worry about your insanely busy family schedule - it sounds like none of you make time for friendships. What are you all doing - is it work? Hobbies? Sport?

We do socialise a lot through the hobbies, it's sports at an intense level and a close knit community. We have many friends in the sport club and there are social activities, BBQ's, days out and such. Of course this makes life even more busy. We have much less time for friends outside of this. Close friends understand, many are busy too and we meet when we can, no pressure.

The key is that she doesn't bother to get in contact except when wanting to meet up on her UK visits. it's all on her terms isn't it?
did you not get annoyed and say something when she called you stubborn last time? if she gets in contact again, just say we're busy and have other plans, and refuse to engage further with this overbearing woman who doesn't really sound like a friend. Your dc and husband should say the same. She seems to forget you have lives and other things going on.

This is what I'm trying. I didn't reply to her instantly this time as i am crazy busy at work and she then started calling and texting my dh and got her dc to contact my dc. Pushy.

Is she American? It sounds like she is and that she’s is trying to maintain the connection between the families, which is completely understandable. But you don’t seem to like her very much and you don’t come across well using your children as an excuse. Just tell her you feel like the friendship has run its course/.

Maybe I will tell her that, It's very one sides, she drops in and wants our time, no contact in between visits. I am not using my dc as an excuse, they had made plans with friends and are unavailable on the afternoon when I am free. This is quite usual for us. How am i using the dc as an excuse in this scenario?

She sounds pushy. If you can’t meet then you can’t meet. Or you can decide what you can manage. But I’m not sure you can remain friends with someone if you don’t ever want to meet up with them! I am put off TBH.

I think she sounds normal. Also fine if you all can't make it every time she's here. But it is odd that you can't find time to be together as a family and get together with some old friends? If you don't really like her then that's okay, fade out but don't make excuses.

Our dc don't really get on that well anymore. Hers have no other friends when they visit the UK but mine obviously have their normal activities, plans and friends. I'm happy to meet one-to-one but can't facilitate more than this, this is not what she wants.

I should add that I have always accommodated very long visits at ours even when they lived here. These were never reciprocated. I'm still, in principle happy to meet, just us, but she wants family get togethers. It is normal that family get togethers change as the children get older, no? Why should my eldest miss out on a sleepover, which she has looked forward to for weeks. The only time I am available is the weekend, i work ft, and the dc have already got plans, when I am free.

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StrenghtAndFlavour · 24/10/2023 08:47

It is true though that by now, I feel apprehensive about her visits. So now there is lack of time on our end as well as not a great urge from me to socialise with her. When she texts me to announce she's coming, there is no, hi, how are you and the family etc. It's 'Are you home? We're coming and would like to meet with you all'.

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andyourpointiswhat · 24/10/2023 08:59

So your kids are her kids’ entertainment when they come to the UK and without them they would have to find something else to do. This arrangement benefits them but no longer suits your family. As someone with now adult kids who has had to navigate what happens when kids grow up and don’t necessarily want to continue with friendships which they have outgrown just because it suits the adults my advice would be brutal honesty and if that means the end of the friendship so be it. I would message “I appreciate you want to get together as families when you come to the UK but as I am sure you can appreciate our family life goes on when you are not here. As they are growing up our kids now have busy lives (as I’m sure yours have at home) and pursue different interests and are not always available to meet up when you would like to. I value our friendship and would really like it to continue but I really can’t keep making excuses and resent being called stubborn just because I won’t do what you want. It may sometimes be possible for us to meet as families but from now on it it is increasingly unlikely everyone will be free so if I tell you I am only an available to meet one on one for lunch then that is my reality. I’m sorry if you find that difficult but I think it is better to be upfront. I would love to meet you ……….. “. Takes some guts but will sort your issue one way or another.

StrenghtAndFlavour · 24/10/2023 09:01

That is perfect @andyourpointiswhat , very helpful, thank you Flowers

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Mosaic123 · 24/10/2023 09:04

She's a user.

You are convenient.

She was always a user as she never hosted your family.

Just do what suits you and your family best.

Shinyandnew1 · 24/10/2023 09:10

She sounds really hard work! Does she want to arrive at yours with her whole family, and be fed and watered for the whole evening as well?? Does she do this with anyone else, do you know?

If I was called stubborn, I would want to stop meeting up with her at all, tbh.

Pccleaner · 24/10/2023 09:10

“ Hi Mum friend! Would love to meet you for a latte/ dinner. My teens are off doing their own thing (teenagers!) but would be great to see you again!”

BMW6 · 24/10/2023 09:48

Bloody hell I think I'd just tell her to Fuck Off frankly!

She's demanding and rude. Who needs that?!

TheYearOfSmallThings · 24/10/2023 09:57

I don't think she's a user, I think she considers you "family friends" when you consider her (now) a casual acquaintance. I do think it was inappropriate for her to contact your husband and have her children contact yours after you had told her you were busy - that would annoy me massively.

If your children really don't like hers, or want to see them, tell her. "Look, I didn't want to say it, but the children aren't keen and Husband isn't keen, but I would still love to meet up for lunch."

I don't think it is about busyness - if your family wanted to see them, they would make time, but they don't, so they don't.

Forgotmycoat · 24/10/2023 10:41

I disagree with @TheYearOfSmallThings , this woman is a user. She didn't reciprocate with hosting even when she lived in the UK, there's no contact in between visits, no pleasantries in her messages when she wants to meet, just a very abrupt, 'we're coming and want to see you'. she expects op and her family to make themselves available to her on demand and then gets annoyed when it's op can't or doesn't want to. That's not a friend, that's a user.

StrenghtAndFlavour · 24/10/2023 10:45

I appreciate what you are saying @TheYearOfSmallThings but how can she see us as family friends, if she doesn't even check in with us to see how we are, what we are up, how things are going? She just descends on us texting and merely saying 'are you home, we're coming to the UK and would like to meet' every time, this has been going for 2-3 years. No chat in between by text or call. There is no awareness that while she is on holiday here with clearly not much lined up, we are living or normal everyday life. She announces herself / them a lot more often than close relatives of ours. It is too much and yes, this is off putting.

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Shinyandnew1 · 24/10/2023 10:45

Forgotmycoat · 24/10/2023 10:41

I disagree with @TheYearOfSmallThings , this woman is a user. She didn't reciprocate with hosting even when she lived in the UK, there's no contact in between visits, no pleasantries in her messages when she wants to meet, just a very abrupt, 'we're coming and want to see you'. she expects op and her family to make themselves available to her on demand and then gets annoyed when it's op can't or doesn't want to. That's not a friend, that's a user.

Exactly-sounds like she thinks you are there to provide her with a day/evening of food and entertainment at no cost to them!

What do their visits to you usually look like. @StrenghtAndFlavour ?

StrenghtAndFlavour · 24/10/2023 10:46

there's no contact in between visits, no pleasantries in her messages when she wants to meet, just a very abrupt, 'we're coming and want to see you'.

This. And if I don't respond quickly enough to her 'we're coming we want to see you' she starts phoning and texting dh and now gets her teen to text mine to try and arrange a meet up.

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TiredMamOfTwo · 24/10/2023 10:49

I would just phase her out "sorry we're busy that week, maybe next time" get DH to do the same and rinse and repeat every time:

ItsmeImtheproblem200 · 24/10/2023 10:49

She clearly does not respect your boundaries and therefore cannot be in your life.

It really is that simple. You don’t even sound as if you like her, what are you doing here?

Tell her no, it’s not possible and then reply no further.

StrenghtAndFlavour · 24/10/2023 10:56

I am trying to do this, TiredMamOfTwo and had declined the last two visits. Stupidly, this time I thought I might try and just meet her for a coffee and chat to give the friendship a chance but she started sending all these messages saying meeting without her dc (who are mid to older teens) doesn't suit her, what about her children, it's important to them to see mine and that I am being stubborn for not being more accommodating. My dc can take it or leave with her dc although leaning more towards 'leave it'.

Visits, they spend here hours after hours, eating, drinking and enjoying themselves. She doesn't bring anything.

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