Black child gymnast being overlooked in medal ceremony?

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Anyone else horrified at this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12554637/Gymnastics-Ireland-embroiled-racism-row-young-black-competitor-skipped-medal-ceremony-Olympic-champion-Simone-Biles-condemns-heartbreaking-incident.html#comments

It is not about being allowed to express an opinion- It's us calling out someone refusing to see the truth. The video speaks for itself and people have decided to ignore that and insist it's an oversight.
You cannot compound the problem by trying to gaslight all of us who have acknowledged this awful exclusion.
Please watch the video again and tell me she just 'forgot'
She paused IN FRONT of the black girl to detangle the medals and thenwent to the next one.

As for gymanastics Ireland- too little too bloody late. TWATS!

But I've said that i do think she was probably being racist.

Gymnastics Ireland definitely don't look good in this.

I actually said something to a hiking group in Ireland not long ago, about racism.

It's a very large hiking group. But not everyone can join it. They kind of tell each other through WhatsApp when the hikes are on. And then they post the videos on Instagram.

This hiking group is full of influencers. It is full of women with lots of Instagram followers in Ireland etc. Anyway I was watching their videos and I noticed that on every single hike, every single person was white.

I watched videos of about 12 hikes. About thirty - forty people on each hike . Every single person was white.

There are a lot of black, brown, Hispanic, people in Ireland these days . So the organisers just don't invite those people. I did send a message to one of the organisers saying how come there are never any people of colour on these hikes. Why is it all white people. She didn't answer

No one “wants” to see this. No one wants to see racism directed towards themselves or anyone else. No one is looking for it - but now, no one is ignoring it either. No more laughing it off, turning a blind eye or making excuses for it. If people are uncomfortable with that then they need to stop being racist and condoning racism.

It’s funny how the “creating divides” argument only ever crops up when people call out racism. It’s the racists and those that refuse to acknowledge racism that are creating the divide.

Obviously the official handing out the medals is hugely at fault but what about the other adults present too? Why did nobody else step in?

The other girls, who noticed, had a go at stepping in. Even if you can't see or hear what they said, the body language is clearly confused about why just one - right in the middle - was missed out.

The fact that @Emeraldsrock has chosen this hill to die on tells us everything we need to know. I think we need to stop feeding them.

Give your opinion then bow out. What is their agenda for arguing again and again that it is not racism if they are genuine? I have met and defeated many racists like this in my time and will continue til I fucking die. I'm tired, though. They keep popping up like a game of whack-a-mole

Thank you to the person that thanked my post. Am I alone in thinking this new liking thing is POINTLESS because if you don't go back to your post you will never know if anyone has liked it. And who ever does that? I understand why it's anonymous, but surely there needs to be a way of alerting you @Mumsnet

Just a strange jump to make. To think that someone must be a racist because they can’t imagine doing anything so callous on purpose and offering a possibility that there could be another explanation. Clearly I am never going to win on this one. You have already decided and anyone who thinks otherwise must be a racist. Will leave you to it.

Because if you have been on the receiving end of racism, more than once, it is utterly tedious and disingenuous of people to keep telling you you must be wrong. That you misunderstood. That you have a chip on your shoulder. That these people can't be racist because they once saw a black person at an event and didn't immediately pull on the pointy hatted white robes.

The very bottom line here is that the woman handing out the medals should be suspended: if only because if you're handing out medals and you have one left over the obvious and immediate solution is to check that you gave one to everyone who should have had one.

And the organisation you belong to doesn't immediately try to cover it up, to the extent that they don't pass on the apology letter.

It is very hard to look at your own country and see the (everyday) racism that happens. We must all be better.

If you hadn't made several dozen posts defending this woman, I'd say 'fair enough'. But your conduct on this thread leaves me confident that you're a piece of work. Sticking up for probable racists is the hill you're willing to die on.

We see you.

@Mooshamoo , as far as I'm concerned, she's free to hold and express whatever shitty views she wants. And we're allowed to tell her what we think of those views. Free speech innit. Or does that only work in favour of the party being a dick?

I don't know what I find more shocking- watching how blatantly the woman misses the girl out
or
How people watching the same video are trying themselves in knots trying to explain there might have been a perfectly reasonable explanation

Exactly fizbosshoes and the children show the adults up! It’s so obvious to the children, their body language is clear, but children do not see themselves as being able to speak out like adults can. Children not heard. Racism not seen. Unjust actions by adults. Adults not admitting they were in the wrong. How many times do we hear the child was passed over. Any adult worth their salt would have questioned that obvious action and a swift correction and apology as the little girl was handed her medal was all it would have taken by any normal human being.

I agree with you @Mooshamoo.
There's enough silencing and cancelling of people going on these days. People shouldn't be afraid to express an opinion.

On the face of it, it does seem extremely racist. And that surprises me a little, not because I don't think there's racism in Ireland ( there definitely is unfortunately), but because everyone - even racists - knows racism is not an acceptable position to have. People usually behave themselves when they know they're being watched, especially when they know they're being filmed. Which means, as well as being racist, the official must be a moronic self-saboteur too and I wonder how likely that is.

So I'm a bit confused, not because I don't think people can be racist, but that they can be so overtly and deliberately racist when they're aware they're being filmed.

Perhaps it was unconscious racism - the official didn't 'see' the child as she was black, but the video evidence doesn't make that seem very likely as she pauses in front of her? But maybe that's what happened. No excusing that either obviously.

The poor child, it was very upsetting to watch.

Thank you Brefugee. You've articulated it beautifully.

The next line of reasoning of people like @Emeraldsrock is that she's privileged to be living in Ireland and if she doesn't like it, she should leave.

There is a whole thread here about how life in the UK has become and her cohort are there, foaming at the mouth saying there is NO racism at all, alongside protesting muzzling their XL bully's - ironically speaking about dog racism.

After all they are very much not a racist country

People continue to be overtly and deliberately racist because they continually get away with it. People don't always behave themselves when being watched, or filmed, because they don't need to.
People are free to express whatever opinion they want, and other people are free to explain why they are wrong.

I'm surprised this hasn't been referred to the Equality Commission (if that's still its name). That behaviour on the part of the individual handing out medals was disgraceful. To walk away with a single medal still dangling from her racist digits! That poor little girl. I'd have been furious if that was my relative, never mind settling for mediation.

But why did the other adults not speak up? And if this is how they behave in public what the heck are their attitudes behind closed doors?

@Oliotya People do at least tend to behave much better in public and when they know they're being filmed. That's fact.

This official didn't get away with it.

People are not always free to express an opinion. Just look at what's happening around trans issues. People can lose their job if they say the 'wrong' thing sometimes so they keep quiet. A bit different on here as it's anonymous but in general it's not true that we can say what we like. And pile-ons on MN aren't that pretty either. I mean, people are now making up things about @Emeraldsrock's opinions.

The next line of reasoning of people like @Emeraldsrockis that she's (ie the little girl) privileged to be living in Ireland and if she doesn't like it, she should leave.

@Emeraldsrock never said anything like that?!

She was comfortable doing it because she thought she was being subtle and everyone knows that they can get away with subtle racism as “you can’t prove it”. This is why we need to listen to black people who have had decades of dealing with it and know exactly how it works, when they call it out. In this case you’d have to be blind or wilfully ignorant not to see it. This is racism today. The stuff that happened in the 60s/70s and previous to that is illegal. You can’t be verbally racist in public and not be made legally accountable. You can still pull this kind of shiz though and plead innocent and more people will back you up than pull you up on it!

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Only just seen the video after hearing about it on LBC yesterday. Shameful, that poor little girl. That woman did not make an “oversight”. She paused, looked right at the child then moved on to the next one. Is she still in a job?

Awful awful awful. She should be ashamed.

"Behave better in public". What does that even mean? Are we supposed to be satisfied with displays like this because it could be worse? What does racism need to look like before you would recongise it?

I did not make up anything- I am telling you what the next line is after suffering years of this sort of racism and further microagressions. And it is NOT a pile on.

Go and get the book, why I will no longer speak to white people about race. It is not my duty to educate you, especially as you have decided to be so obtuse.

And it is awful that you are providing an excuse that a grown white woman didn't see a child. unconscious racism you call it. I have heard it all now.

What you will not do is gaslight us.

Watch the video. She stops IN front of the little girl to sort/detangle the medals and then side steps her to give the next girl hers.

A few of the girls look puzzled.