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Black child gymnast being overlooked in medal ceremony?

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Loopylooni · 24/09/2023 10:39

Anyone else horrified at this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12554637/Gymnastics-Ireland-embroiled-racism-row-young-black-competitor-skipped-medal-ceremony-Olympic-champion-Simone-Biles-condemns-heartbreaking-incident.html#comments

Gymnastics Ireland in racism row after girl skipped in medal ceremony

Olympic champion Simone Biles condemned the 'heartbreaking' incident and said she had sent a video of support to the young girl after her parents reached out to her.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12554637/Gymnastics-Ireland-embroiled-racism-row-young-black-competitor-skipped-medal-ceremony-Olympic-champion-Simone-Biles-condemns-heartbreaking-incident.html#comments

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Wolfricbriandumbledore · 24/09/2023 11:40

TastyLikeARaindrop · 24/09/2023 11:24

Poor girl. She's stood right there in the line being totally ingnored! I can't make out what the commentator is saying, is she reading out the names as the medals are being given?

It’s hard to make out, but it’s possible that’s what’s going on — that the ignored child’s name wasn’t read out, which is why she was skipped, because the next child’s name was read out and the official was trying to keep up with the commentary? I think it’s odd rather than anything.

Desperately hurtful for an excited little girl, obviously, but it would be a deeply unlikely way for an official who looks to be in her 20s to be deliberately racist, by ostentatiously and publicly bypassing a black child at a public ceremony being recorded and photographed in front of a live audience, presumably including parents or family of the little girl. That makes no sense.

(It’s equally hard to see how exactly she could have not noticed she’d skipped a child, but, having been at a children’s athletics event last year, and watched people trying to corral the correct winners to connect with the right medals at the right moment so their names coincided with the award of the medals and a photographer, it’s not impossible it was an organisational screw up, I suppose, and she had the wrong medal or something, and didn’t want to give the wrong one to the wrong child? Or we’re all the children getting the same medal?)

The IT article details Gymnastics Ireland taking it seriously, as they should, the official offering to apologise in person for what she said was an oversight, the child’s family not wanting that, a written apology being accepted, a lot more back and forth, and a lengthy mediation process which ended this past summer, and the process concluded apparently to everyone’s satisfaction. Only this going viral now suggests otherwise., obviously.

AnSolas · 24/09/2023 11:41

I am all for giving people the benefit of doubt but it looks as if the 2 other girls pointed out what happen and were ignored too.

Even if it was not "visable" (with the child being the only one of a differrent race) she steps and touches her chest so it clear she has not got a red ribbon and a medal when all the other girls do.

the fact that the adult had to skip her and looks back and half waves the hand with the awards shows she is aware of the girl.

Anothagoatthis · 24/09/2023 11:46

beachcomber70 · 24/09/2023 10:49

I was appalled. I watched the video earlier today. What on earth was the thinking behind this? Give the girl her medal and don't be so out and out rude and disrespectful to a child.

Even the white girls to the right hand side of the black girl looked confused. I don’t understand how she was working so methodologically through the line but didn’t notice this girl who stands out for obvious reasons. Sad situation and I’m glad to hear the amazing Simone biles reached out with a video message to the kid.

SpecialSpaghetti · 24/09/2023 11:47

Absolutely heartbreaking for the little girl.
She went from beaming with pride and excitement, shuffled forward expectantly to receive her medal, to looking awkward and puzzled, then utterly dejected and embarrassed when all her team mates were being photographed wearing their medals.
Towards the end of the line up, the official ran out of medals to hand, said something to the girl in shiny blue top and black bottoms, third from the end, then ran off to get more medals.
On returning, she gave the girl second from the end a medal first, before going back to the shiny blue top girl.
At no point was another child left without a medal, apart from the little black girl.
The official actually left the line up holding one remaining medal!
Four other officials/coaches/media person then milled around the line up but it still wasn't picked up on that she was medal-less.
Cannot imagine what was going through the little girl's mind, the way she kept looking to her left at all the other girls being awarded their medals after her 😢

Anothagoatthis · 24/09/2023 11:49

AnSolas · 24/09/2023 11:41

I am all for giving people the benefit of doubt but it looks as if the 2 other girls pointed out what happen and were ignored too.

Even if it was not "visable" (with the child being the only one of a differrent race) she steps and touches her chest so it clear she has not got a red ribbon and a medal when all the other girls do.

the fact that the adult had to skip her and looks back and half waves the hand with the awards shows she is aware of the girl.

I’ve just read your post. Wow! So without a doubt she really did know. I was wondering if it was more subconscious racism but now in no doubt it was malicious.

I only watched the clip twice so perhaps I missed some of those things you mentioned but it does make sense, as I just couldn’t get how she could have missed the only black kid in the line!

thedancingbear · 24/09/2023 11:51

Wolfricbriandumbledore · 24/09/2023 11:40

It’s hard to make out, but it’s possible that’s what’s going on — that the ignored child’s name wasn’t read out, which is why she was skipped, because the next child’s name was read out and the official was trying to keep up with the commentary? I think it’s odd rather than anything.

Desperately hurtful for an excited little girl, obviously, but it would be a deeply unlikely way for an official who looks to be in her 20s to be deliberately racist, by ostentatiously and publicly bypassing a black child at a public ceremony being recorded and photographed in front of a live audience, presumably including parents or family of the little girl. That makes no sense.

(It’s equally hard to see how exactly she could have not noticed she’d skipped a child, but, having been at a children’s athletics event last year, and watched people trying to corral the correct winners to connect with the right medals at the right moment so their names coincided with the award of the medals and a photographer, it’s not impossible it was an organisational screw up, I suppose, and she had the wrong medal or something, and didn’t want to give the wrong one to the wrong child? Or we’re all the children getting the same medal?)

The IT article details Gymnastics Ireland taking it seriously, as they should, the official offering to apologise in person for what she said was an oversight, the child’s family not wanting that, a written apology being accepted, a lot more back and forth, and a lengthy mediation process which ended this past summer, and the process concluded apparently to everyone’s satisfaction. Only this going viral now suggests otherwise., obviously.

I agree. It’s literally impossible for someone to be overtly and deliberately racist in this day and age.

Oh hang on, it’s not, is it? Posters desperately scrabbling round for some kind of explanation other than the obvious one should take a good look at their motivations.

RedRum27 · 24/09/2023 11:53

@IvorTheEngineDriver unbelievable!! What does it take for people to be believed when any form of discrimination happens? Why do you need more to believe it? Use yours eyes and ears and believe it happened.

This is the sort of shit that I have to prepare myself for with my children. It’s heartbreaking (but necessary sadly) that I have to prepare my children for being overlooked, judged, treated differently, questioned, challenged, hypersexualised, simply because their skin is different, and that’s on top of every other general issue that they may face in the world as human being.

I rarely comment on these things and keep my frustrations to myself/discuss with my partner mainly, but fuck me it’s DRAINING when the person/people being wronged are always being challenged on it. Lord give me strength.

BMW6 · 24/09/2023 11:57

Having watched the video carefully it's plain to me that the woman is deliberately passing by the girl.

What.A.Racist.Bitch.

And its absolutely shameful that the girls parents needed to complain AND its taken well-versed a year for an apology to be offered.

endofthelinefinally · 24/09/2023 11:58

That poor little soul. Awful behaviour from that official who should be made to stand down IMO.

CandyLeBonBon · 24/09/2023 11:59

That's shocking to watch. I can't think of a plausible reason she would do that that isn't racially motivated

benoticanarsed · 24/09/2023 11:59

Where was the coach? Did he/she not say anything. Has the woman giving the medals out commented? This is shocking.

Anothagoatthis · 24/09/2023 12:01

thedancingbear · 24/09/2023 11:51

I agree. It’s literally impossible for someone to be overtly and deliberately racist in this day and age.

Oh hang on, it’s not, is it? Posters desperately scrabbling round for some kind of explanation other than the obvious one should take a good look at their motivations.

I agree.

It maybe be hard for that poster to believe, but unfortunately i can assure you it happens.

I worked in social services and education in my 20s and early 30s, alongside mostly white middle class professionals. We worked with mainly (white) working class families.

Not only was I racially harassed by the mainly female middle class colleagues aged 25-50 (not the working class service users who were lovely) I seen some vile treatment of some of the POC children.

The way a health professional in the team in particular spoke about and to some of the POC children was horrible.

There was always lots of kindness and compassion for the white kids from her . As a whole the team definitely favoured the white kids.

And yes I did report both all of this to HR and yes my grievance was upheld partially thanks to other staff backing me up, and then the whole team had to undergo “diversity training” and the ring leader was put on formal disciplinary measures (she should’ve been fired!)

These are the exact type of people who could easily have had a role in their local kids sports teams etc and no doubt would have shown deliberate bias against the black children there.

VesperLind · 24/09/2023 12:03

It’s incomprehensible, the whole thing. That it happened in the first place, that it’s been (and is being denied) and that it has taken a WHOLE YEAR to get to a resolution of sorts. If, and it’s a big if, it was a simple error, the official would have simply gone back and presented the medal as soon as she realised or had it pointed out.

LadyEloise1 · 24/09/2023 12:04

IMustDoMoreExercise · 24/09/2023 11:33

Makes me so sad watching that. That woman must have a heart of stone.

This 💯

Anothagoatthis · 24/09/2023 12:05

I am really glad that most on this thread have condemned this action and rightly identified it as racism and only a few have tried to deny it .

The constant racial gaslighting makes incidents like this even worse for Black people and other POC, so while it’s a sad incident I’m happy most people seem to be calling it out.

And with that I will bow out from this thread before the racist apologists find it 😂

Sensoria · 24/09/2023 12:07

RedRum27 · 24/09/2023 11:53

@IvorTheEngineDriver unbelievable!! What does it take for people to be believed when any form of discrimination happens? Why do you need more to believe it? Use yours eyes and ears and believe it happened.

This is the sort of shit that I have to prepare myself for with my children. It’s heartbreaking (but necessary sadly) that I have to prepare my children for being overlooked, judged, treated differently, questioned, challenged, hypersexualised, simply because their skin is different, and that’s on top of every other general issue that they may face in the world as human being.

I rarely comment on these things and keep my frustrations to myself/discuss with my partner mainly, but fuck me it’s DRAINING when the person/people being wronged are always being challenged on it. Lord give me strength.

Mumsnet is really funny about racism. Posters are always outraged about ageism and ableism and regularly complain about it on MN, but racism is the one thing that posters jump through hoops to justify. Unless it involves an in your face racial slur, they deny its racism. It’s really disheartening.

Aavalon57 · 24/09/2023 12:07

This is so upsetting. She looks so excited, then confused. You can see her expectant face, the hope, then embarrassment and despair, wondering what’s happening. Not one adult there picked up on it at the time, not one. Love how people on here are trying to justify it as nothing but an oversight.

GoingToBeLessRubbishAtLife · 24/09/2023 12:09

VesperLind · 24/09/2023 12:03

It’s incomprehensible, the whole thing. That it happened in the first place, that it’s been (and is being denied) and that it has taken a WHOLE YEAR to get to a resolution of sorts. If, and it’s a big if, it was a simple error, the official would have simply gone back and presented the medal as soon as she realised or had it pointed out.

I think it was March 2022, so it’s actually a year and a half to investigate something that they had immediate video evidence of.

TeddyFaces · 24/09/2023 12:13

That official might as well have slapped that poor little girl's face as she passed!
Just watching her looking so crestfallen makes my heart ache for her.
How can anyone be so cruel.

Kimya · 24/09/2023 12:15

Why is Biles choosing to unearth this now?

doubleshotcappuccino · 24/09/2023 12:17

Oh my goodness this is heartbreaking to watch

WaltzingWaters · 24/09/2023 12:26

It’s heartbreaking to watch and I cannot believe that nobody spoke up for that little girl during the ceremony. Surely one of the other adults there saw what happened. Just disgusting.

Dontcallmescarface · 24/09/2023 12:27

It's awful. As for those suggesting it was not deliberate....the woman actually pauses in front of the black girl then walks on. She knew what she was doing how anyone could think otherwise is beyond me.

Wolfricbriandumbledore · 24/09/2023 12:30

thedancingbear · 24/09/2023 11:51

I agree. It’s literally impossible for someone to be overtly and deliberately racist in this day and age.

Oh hang on, it’s not, is it? Posters desperately scrabbling round for some kind of explanation other than the obvious one should take a good look at their motivations.

Oh, don’t be silly. Why would I be justifying racism? Obviously racism exists, endemic, systemic and individual, but ask yourself how likely it is that a young gymnastics official would choose to consciously bypass the sole black child in a very public medals lineup as a racist gesture, in the full knowledge that she’s being recorded, photographed etc, and that, even in the context of gymnastics parents being obsessively focused on their child, the child she’s bypassed will have outraged parents in the audience, ready to complain — entirely understandably in this instance?

It makes no sense as a racist gesture unless we’ve time-travelled to Jim-Crow-era US. All it does is leave the official open to (entirely justifiable) complaint. As has happened, plus the wrath of the internet.

tescocreditcard · 24/09/2023 12:35

To me that looks deliberate, spiteful and racist. Absolutely disgusting.