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Thread 30 Sunak: No trains, no drains, no point

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DuncinToffee · 17/09/2023 11:47

As suggested by the lovely Pointythings and her feisty cat army

We continue

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4873009-thread-29-sunak-borders-barges-and-bacteria?page=40&reply=129254108

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itsgettingweird · 03/10/2023 18:09

MrTiddlesTheCat · 03/10/2023 17:57

But Gulf War Syndrome has been proven to be real, caused by exposure to sarin. So he was dismissing long covid as bollocks by equating it to a real illness.

It's Johnson.

It makes perfect sense he'd do that Wink

Cornettoninja · 03/10/2023 18:10

@BIossomtoes i really want to enjoy it, but unless there’s a huge fraction of their support publicly declaring it an embarrassment then it’s working on who it needs to.

Roussette · 03/10/2023 18:15

itsgettingweird · 03/10/2023 17:16

Just caught some of Bravermans speech.

ShockShockShockShockShockShockShockShockShockHmmConfused

So she's now attacking people in ivory towers without saying who these people are - other than those with money who can buy there way out if problems.

It's made no sense.

Which I don't know why I'm surprised!

I listened to some of it too. It was horrible more or less saying that all immigrants are thieving child traffickers.
She really is the lowest of the low
The round of applause was absolutely sickening

IClaudine · 03/10/2023 18:16

I think Labour need to hang fire and let the rest of this insane conference play out without comment. Then use the ammunition at the right time.

BIossomtoes · 03/10/2023 18:16

Cornettoninja · 03/10/2023 18:10

@BIossomtoes i really want to enjoy it, but unless there’s a huge fraction of their support publicly declaring it an embarrassment then it’s working on who it needs to.

That time is yet to come. Wait for the election campaign to start and watch the opposition bring it all out and make them defend it. It’s going to be delicious. Watch it all get used in the two by elections in a fortnight. We all know about shy Tories - my bloke’s trying to decide whether to spoil his paper or stay at home.

IClaudine · 03/10/2023 18:17

Roussette · 03/10/2023 18:15

I listened to some of it too. It was horrible more or less saying that all immigrants are thieving child traffickers.
She really is the lowest of the low
The round of applause was absolutely sickening

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Yes, that is what she was implying. Sickening is the right word.

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2023 18:26

It’s going to be really difficult to pick up swing voters and moderate Tories with this sort of rhetoric. Shy Tories will stay at home. Centre / centre right floating voters probably won’t. I wouldn’t underestimate the level of anger there is in the country. There’s a lot of apathy for taking actual action but they may well draw out a lot of people to vote against them.

Cornettoninja · 03/10/2023 18:29

I really hope you’re right @BIossomtoes 🤞

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2023 18:34

What on earth? Gove has claimed in a speech Brexit has been delivered and there’s now £350million a week to spend on the NHS. Mate, that was a lie you wrote on the side of a bus remember. You weren’t supposed to believe it yourself.

Even the non fascist Tories have lost the plot at this conference.

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2023 18:35

Although it is Gove, so he might just be off his face.

itsgettingweird · 03/10/2023 18:39

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2023 18:35

Although it is Gove, so he might just be off his face.

🤣🤣

BIossomtoes · 03/10/2023 18:42

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2023 18:34

What on earth? Gove has claimed in a speech Brexit has been delivered and there’s now £350million a week to spend on the NHS. Mate, that was a lie you wrote on the side of a bus remember. You weren’t supposed to believe it yourself.

Even the non fascist Tories have lost the plot at this conference.

Where is it then? And why aren’t they settling with the doctors if there’s all this money washing around?

Cornettoninja · 03/10/2023 18:50

He must’ve missed when Cummings went on tv and admitted the bus was a lie. It’s always mortifying to be the last to know…

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2023 19:32

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66998189

Security removing the Tory leader of the London Assembly at the exact moment Suella utters the words ‘those who fail to conform are persecuted’ in her speech is the sort of accident that only seems to happen to Rishi’s government.

Andrew Boff

Tory politician Andrew Boff kicked out of conference after Braverman heckle

Andrew Boff has his pass removed after objecting to the home secretary's comments on gender.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66998189

BIossomtoes · 03/10/2023 19:35

Oh bliss! It just keeps getting better.

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2023 19:59

https://twitter.com/PGMcNamara/status/1709218901312073895

I’m not sure I’d actually call this heckling anyway but the timing is perfect. Given the content of the rest of the speech I’d suggest Andrew Boff is going to find himself on the right side of history for calling it out.

https://twitter.com/PGMcNamara/status/1709218901312073895

cakeorwine · 03/10/2023 20:19

It's so divisive.

They have looked at Trump and seek to sew division.

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DuncinToffee · 03/10/2023 20:26

Dan Hodges

Large numbers of people leaving Tory conference tonight because there are no trains tomorrow. Thereby missing the PM’s speech announcing the axing of the Manchester rail upgrade. Historians will write entire chapters on the events of the past two weeks…

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cakeorwine · 03/10/2023 20:28

Apparently there's opinion polling on the EHCR

All depends on how you frame the question.

See Yes Minister for example - and I am sure you can guess how they got the answers they want.

For and Against National Service | Yes, Prime Minister | Comedy Greats

Sir Humphrey, incensed that Hacker is pushing ahead with his “Grand Design”, delivers a masterclass in how to conduct a government opinion poll.Subscribe: ht...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2023 20:35

DuncinToffee · 03/10/2023 20:26

Dan Hodges

Large numbers of people leaving Tory conference tonight because there are no trains tomorrow. Thereby missing the PM’s speech announcing the axing of the Manchester rail upgrade. Historians will write entire chapters on the events of the past two weeks…

😂 😂 😂 😂

This is the conference that keeps on giving. Either in terrible or utterly brilliant ways.

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2023 21:14

Sky news are reporting that they understand Rishi is going to announce that HS2 is going to be high speed Euston to Birmingham and then will use normal lines to Manchester.

That cannot be right. For a start HS2 doesn’t go to new street so how is it going to get to the existing lines. Secondly I thought the point was creating more capacity, not sticking more trains on existing lines. Thirdly, I’m pretty sure there’s an issue with loading gauges here. HS2, like HS1 was going to be standard gauge which means it can’t use our narrower gauge existing infrastructure because the trains are wider. The only way round that is to buy HS trains that are specially adapted for the U.K. which costs ££££. Think this is the same for all trains we buy in the U.K. but it’s especially daft if you are building a new line.

BIossomtoes · 03/10/2023 21:17

jgw1 · 03/10/2023 19:55

Interesting poll, perhaps particularly the secondary questions.

https://www.survation.com/mid-bedfordshire-by-election-update/

That’s 17 days old. A lifetime these days.

Roussette · 03/10/2023 21:32

Great timing, just starting!

www.channel4.com/programmes/partygate

Roussette · 03/10/2023 21:33

Here

Thread 30 Sunak: No trains, no drains, no point