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Mimmy352 · 2023-09-16T14:40:25+00:00

Right so it’s being described as Baroque because whoever is writing it is from the 18th century and can’t figure out how to upload the story

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 17/09/2023 00:26

I think this was as much an investigation into the toxic culture of celebrity that meant someone like Brand could behave in such a way and the production companies skated around the issue to protect the “talent”. There are some serious questions for any of the producers and senior managers who appeared to put Brand‘s feelings ahead of the safety of female staff.
As for Brand - there is a consistency in the negative reports of his behaviour which seems to suggest a pattern or habitual way of behaving. The Savile interview was also grim listening.

ThnksfrthMmrs · 17/09/2023 00:28

I can't remember if she also mentioned being told not to bring it up but she did say it was an open secret and that the person could sue which she didn't want as she has a family to support.

Not sure if it was linked on this thread or another one going but this might be why Katherine did not say more herself:

Him and Jemima Khan took a masseuse to court who accused him of assaulting her. Jemima had got the massage for RB's birthday). When the police, MPs, etc didn't listen, she went to the papers. Two judges then told her to leave them alone and stop harassing them. Clicky link to Guardian article here.

Judge tells masseuse to stop harassing Russell Brand and Jemima Khan | Russell Brand | The Guardian

Celebrity couple win court order in ongoing dispute with Szilvia Berki, which they say has caused considerable distress

https://amp.theguardian.com/culture/2014/sep/11/russell-brand-jemima-khan-masseuse-court-order-harassing

lemmein · 17/09/2023 00:31

I think the way this has been sensationalised all day is really fucking dreadful tbh. Since when has rape become titillating entertainment to drip clues about in a build up to a big reveal?

Krishnan Guru-Murthy tweeting 'somethings up' when he works for ch4 - WTF? He knew what the story was but fuelled the SM frenzy, presumably to increase viewing figures for tonight. It really leaves a bad taste, especially considering channel4 is totally complicit in the whole sorry mess.

ThnksfrthMmrs · 17/09/2023 00:35

@lemmein how do you know he knew? Not that I don't agree that there was a massive build up.

lemmein · 17/09/2023 00:37

ThnksfrthMmrs · 17/09/2023 00:35

@lemmein how do you know he knew? Not that I don't agree that there was a massive build up.

How could he not? He's the lead presenter for channel 4 news.

Rolypops · 17/09/2023 00:45

Yeah the teasing of an expose on serious sexual assault by a renowned celebrity like it was a new Marvel film made me feel a bit sick tbh.

ThnksfrthMmrs · 17/09/2023 00:49

@lemmein Ok, so you THINK he would have known, not that you KNOW he knew. His role doesn't mean he'd have known. I'm in a senior role and don't always know everything before it happens unfortunately. I think it's plausible he didn't know but may have been told after or just told to take it down due to the nature because it was removed quite quickly.

Though I agree the build up was strange. I do wonder if it was an accidental leak or it was purposeful. If purposely leaked, it is very, very distasteful. Especially because it casts Channel 4 in an awful light for enabling a lot of this.

Totaly · 17/09/2023 00:54

I think the way this has been sensationalised all day is really fucking dreadful tbh. Since when has rape become titillating entertainment to drip clues about in a build up to a big reveal?

Who said it was entertainment? How many watched highlighting the very core of rape cases … that most woman fear they won’t be beloved, the process is harrowing and the outcome is unlikely to be a conviction. At least we 5 being prepared to stand together there’s a chance they will get support and there’s a chance he’ll be convicted. Not to mention the high numbers who are now likely to come forward and a change in policy for companies where the expectation is that you report your suspicions and they are acted in.

Who here has a boss? How would you react to finding him with his *ick out? Unexpected and very reportable. No celebrity is above the law - no woman (or man) should fear losing their job or feeling unsafe at work.

lemmein · 17/09/2023 01:04

ThnksfrthMmrs · 17/09/2023 00:49

@lemmein Ok, so you THINK he would have known, not that you KNOW he knew. His role doesn't mean he'd have known. I'm in a senior role and don't always know everything before it happens unfortunately. I think it's plausible he didn't know but may have been told after or just told to take it down due to the nature because it was removed quite quickly.

Though I agree the build up was strange. I do wonder if it was an accidental leak or it was purposeful. If purposely leaked, it is very, very distasteful. Especially because it casts Channel 4 in an awful light for enabling a lot of this.

Well yes, of course it's just my thoughts, we're not in court! 😅

It's inconceivable to me that a broadcaster who has worked at a channel for 25+ years, a lead news presenter, wouldn't have been given the heads up about a 3 year investigation his channel was about to air. It's as believable as Holly Willoughby insisting she had no idea about the accusations against PS

Ikeepmybumcheekshidden · 17/09/2023 03:34

@MrsRobinsonsHandprints How dare you speak to me like that?! Reported!

I'm entitled to share my opinion just like anyone else. I have been sexually assaulted. You've no right to imply otherwise

billysillydilly · 17/09/2023 04:01

The whole entertainment industry is sleazy. I'd be surprised if we were aware of half the things that went in. So many people rely on drugs, have been abused and do abused. Many rumours of minors exploited and sexually abused.
They could really do a deep dive into the music, film and entertainment industry and uncover so, so much more.

Agree, I think there are very few celebs who don't abuse their "power"

WarriorN · 17/09/2023 04:10

AcrossthePond55 · 16/09/2023 16:05

I've been lurking from the US. I have to admit I don't recognize a lot of the names, let alone figuring who the initials are!

I've checked the US gossip sites and a big fat 'bupkis' there.

I do know who RB, DW and couple of others on the 'list' are and IMHO if this story is about them and sexual escapades I don't get why it would rate a whole 90 minutes, even if there are allegations of underage or coerced victims. Hell, I think Epstein only got an hour on various US network news shows (Dateline, 20/20 etc).

But if there is an allegation of the bribes taken by authorities, or of an official police coverup or intentional 'mis-handling', that would rate 90 minutes.

EDIT: Ah, I see it's dropped..just Brand then? I still don't get how a 'used to be' media figure rates a 90 minute program investigating his past (potentially abhorrent) behaviour. I hate to sound 'tin foil hatty', but does he have some kind of information that could be damaging to someone and they want to discredit him. Or is it just a rather slow news day. Because I'd say compared to Epstein and Savile, an allegation by 5 victims appears to be somewhat small beans.

Not that I'm discounting the pain and fear suffered by his victims, not at all. It should definitely be publicly known.

Edited

Wow.

You've no clue about the context of U.K. tv and Saville have you?

AliciaLime · 17/09/2023 04:15

topnoddy · 16/09/2023 22:40

Has Brand been convicted of rape by the media circus jury then ?

No, you can’t get convicted by media. It’s an apparently well researched press investigation over a number of years. HTH

AliciaLime · 17/09/2023 04:20

Bizarrely, the threads on Tattle seem more sympathetic to the women involved in this situation than those on MN.

IncognitoMam · 17/09/2023 04:36

squareyedannie · 16/09/2023 17:03

For those saying that sexual predation shouldn't be a big news story, would you prefer it to be swept under the carpet?

No but you have to wonder if we're being steered from something else?

WarriorN · 17/09/2023 05:15

No but you have to wonder if we're being steered from something else?

Oh for godssake, the journalists (mostly women) who've been working on this story have been doing so for years.

Abusers like Brand and Tate have been Playing a very clever game of hiding in plain sight by training everyone to look in the other direction for when they needed you to look in the other direction.

He did it again last night with his film.

Whatever weekend was chosen this would now be excuse to disbelieve these women.

WarriorN · 17/09/2023 05:16

AliciaLime · 17/09/2023 04:20

Bizarrely, the threads on Tattle seem more sympathetic to the women involved in this situation than those on MN.

Tattle seem to be better at seeing through BS.

AliciaLime · 17/09/2023 05:18

WarriorN · 17/09/2023 05:16

Tattle seem to be better at seeing through BS.

Show quote history

It comes to something when they’re the go to for women’s rights 😩

WarriorN · 17/09/2023 05:19

lemmein · 17/09/2023 00:31

I think the way this has been sensationalised all day is really fucking dreadful tbh. Since when has rape become titillating entertainment to drip clues about in a build up to a big reveal?

Krishnan Guru-Murthy tweeting 'somethings up' when he works for ch4 - WTF? He knew what the story was but fuelled the SM frenzy, presumably to increase viewing figures for tonight. It really leaves a bad taste, especially considering channel4 is totally complicit in the whole sorry mess.

At the same time; how do you think those he's abused feel seeing brand scrape up millions of followers for years?

Brand generated half of the build up himself with his film.

ApolloandDaphne · 17/09/2023 06:48

I am dismayed at the way some people on here are minimising what Brand did and describing it as 'small beans'. These five women telling their stories are the tip of an enormous iceberg. Brand used his fame and his power to get away with having sex with thousands of women, treating them despicably and discarding them. He treated Katy Perry abhorrently too. It doesn't have to be unlawful to be a horrendous pattern of behaviour, targeting very young woman and treating them like meat. If he raped and sexually assaulted, coerced and controlled these women who see has he done this to? Anyone minimising this should be ashamed. That's not the response I would expect from the women of MN.

C4tastrophe · 17/09/2023 06:52

@ApolloandDaphne I’m glad you are one of the few people who have used ‘If he….,’.

Also, there’s a LOT of men on mumsnet.
I bet RB himself has an account.

ApolloandDaphne · 17/09/2023 07:02

It's also a condemnation on the way the various tv channels covered up his behaviour and allowed it to continue, sweeping complaints under the carpet. No one is coming up smelling of roses here.

sep135 · 17/09/2023 07:06

What Brand has done is appalling and I'm glad his victims have a voice.

That said, I was expecting either someone higher profile, or more likely, a group of people. I'm not minimising the victims' experiences, more that other exposes of an individual perhaps haven't had the same build up. The Mason Greenwood and Ronaldo stories were well-covered but not pre-publicised to this extent. Harvey Weinstein was more US specific.

Just to make it clear, this is not in any way suggesting that multiple rapes aren't worthy of coverage. They are and should be. Simply that the KGM type posts hinted at something even bigger (and Russell Brand has always had a slight question mark over him). Perhaps there was but injunctions have been hastily put in place.

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 17/09/2023 07:06

ApolloandDaphne · 17/09/2023 06:48

I am dismayed at the way some people on here are minimising what Brand did and describing it as 'small beans'. These five women telling their stories are the tip of an enormous iceberg. Brand used his fame and his power to get away with having sex with thousands of women, treating them despicably and discarding them. He treated Katy Perry abhorrently too. It doesn't have to be unlawful to be a horrendous pattern of behaviour, targeting very young woman and treating them like meat. If he raped and sexually assaulted, coerced and controlled these women who see has he done this to? Anyone minimising this should be ashamed. That's not the response I would expect from the women of MN.

I think the thing which sticks in his victims craws but also Brand’s haters craws is that he made a career out of being a sexist, misogynist, drug/alcohol addicted wrong un and yes from
this documentary he did some very questionable and illegal things with some women.

And now, years later he’s done an about turn, met a wealthy woman, had 2 children with her and has reinvented himself from his former persona into a new age, women’s charity loving, reformed man (I don’t believe a bit of the latter by the way in his case) and made millions of pounds and lots of followers along the way.

I agree that people are allowed to reform and change their wild ways, but it must stick in lots of people’s craws re RB.

I’m not a fan nor a hater of his, he’s not on my radar really. But to be honest, if some of his contemporaries are/have abused women or men in this way, then categorically this should stop.

My own DB is an art director in film and tv and there’s no way there’s sexist/racist/misogynistic behaviour on his shows now, but there may have been and probably was a fair bit of this behaviour happening in the past. He’s been in the industry for approx 12 years, before this, he was a photographer.

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 17/09/2023 07:09

sep135 · 17/09/2023 07:06

What Brand has done is appalling and I'm glad his victims have a voice.

That said, I was expecting either someone higher profile, or more likely, a group of people. I'm not minimising the victims' experiences, more that other exposes of an individual perhaps haven't had the same build up. The Mason Greenwood and Ronaldo stories were well-covered but not pre-publicised to this extent. Harvey Weinstein was more US specific.

Just to make it clear, this is not in any way suggesting that multiple rapes aren't worthy of coverage. They are and should be. Simply that the KGM type posts hinted at something even bigger (and Russell Brand has always had a slight question mark over him). Perhaps there was but injunctions have been hastily put in place.

I agree with this here. I too was expecting someone more high profile or a group of people.

It does seem with RB that it comes across as a bit of a witch hunt. And I’m not minimising or excusing him or saying these women are lying etc at all. Just why him, why now? Who’s he’s pissed off at C4? My DB works on mostly C4 independently made programmes now, I wonder if he knows anything.