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TurquoiseDress · 16/09/2023 08:38

Wow this second thread filled up fast!

Finlesswonder · 16/09/2023 08:40

Safeguarding failures in the media....We already know this though right? Jimmy Saville etc. Its hardly news.

GoodOldEmmaNess · 16/09/2023 08:40

... someone talked about how much they love Lee Mack, which I find interesting because he's openly creepy. It's kind of half his humour, being endlessly flirtatious ...

Yes, it is strange how he can behave like that without repelling his audience. I find myself quite liking him, and laughing at him, even while he is doing things that seem unacceptable, like climbing inside Miranda Hart's jumper. I wonder if we experience ourselves as having some sort of sixth sense that allows us to distinguish between consensual faux-creepy and actual creepy.

MumofSpud · 16/09/2023 08:41

But what I don't understand is that if Russell Brand has been sent communication re: this (he says this in the video he has posted), why haven't his lawyers applied (or whatever the right term is) for Dispatches not to be broadcast?

wheresmymojo · 16/09/2023 08:41

VeloVixen · 16/09/2023 08:37

It will be kind of funny of Brand isn’t mentioned in Dispatches and he did that YouTube video for nothing!

I agree that would be darkly hilarious.

If someone on the inside who new it was coming just decided to shit him up because they find him annoying

Finlesswonder · 16/09/2023 08:42

I really think RB is a red herring and this is just him whipping up some attention for himself and he won't even get a mention in the doc

wheresmymojo · 16/09/2023 08:44

MumofSpud · 16/09/2023 08:41

But what I don't understand is that if Russell Brand has been sent communication re: this (he says this in the video he has posted), why haven't his lawyers applied (or whatever the right term is) for Dispatches not to be broadcast?

You can't just get an injunction because you don't like a story. You have to prove certain things.

I'm too lazy to research it but here's what ChatGPT says you have to demonstrate:

To obtain an injunction in the UK to prevent media from publishing a story about you, there are several legal criteria and considerations that typically come into play. Note that the precise criteria can vary based on the specific nature of the case and the legal basis for the injunction, but generally, the following elements are considered:

  1. *Likelihood of Success*: You must demonstrate that you have a strong likelihood of success when the case goes to trial. This means that, on the face of it, you have a strong case that your rights are being infringed upon by the potential publication.
  1. *Confidentiality*: If the story involves confidential information, you would need to prove that the information in question has the necessary "quality of confidence" about it, and that it's being disclosed without your consent and to the detriment of your interests.
  1. *Privacy*: Under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (which is integrated into UK law via the Human Rights Act 1998), everyone has the right to respect for their private and family life. If the publication would violate this right, it might be grounds for an injunction.
  1. *Public Interest*: Even if you can demonstrate a breach of privacy or confidence, the media can argue that there's a significant public interest in publishing the story. If the public interest outweighs the harm done to you by the publication, the injunction might not be granted.
  1. *Damages Are Insufficient*: You must show that damages (i.e., monetary compensation) would not be a sufficient remedy if the story were published. In other words, the harm from the publication would be irreparable or not adequately compensable with money.
  1. *Promptness*: Courts expect claimants to act promptly when seeking an injunction. If you delay in seeking relief, the court might refuse your application on the basis that you did not act quickly enough.
  1. *Balance of Convenience*: The court will consider which course of action (granting or refusing the injunction) would be the least harmful. They'll weigh the potential harm to you if the story is published against the potential harm to the media outlet (and the public) if the story is suppressed.

It's worth noting that obtaining an injunction against the media is a complex matter. The media have a competing right under Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which protects freedom of expression. The court must balance these competing rights carefully.

If someone is considering seeking an injunction, they should consult with a legal professional experienced in media and privacy law to get advice tailored to their specific situation.

RamsesTheChub · 16/09/2023 08:45

GoodOldEmmaNess · 16/09/2023 08:40

... someone talked about how much they love Lee Mack, which I find interesting because he's openly creepy. It's kind of half his humour, being endlessly flirtatious ...

Yes, it is strange how he can behave like that without repelling his audience. I find myself quite liking him, and laughing at him, even while he is doing things that seem unacceptable, like climbing inside Miranda Hart's jumper. I wonder if we experience ourselves as having some sort of sixth sense that allows us to distinguish between consensual faux-creepy and actual creepy.

Perhaps yeah, whilst I don't really find him that funny (Brydon & Mitchell much funnier for me) I also would be kind of surprised if he got caught up in a scandal of this nature.

But the way he is over-familiar with attractive women e.g. Holly Willoughby I just think ick. Maybe it's pre-agreed banter.

eandz13 · 16/09/2023 08:46

Finlesswonder · 16/09/2023 08:42

I really think RB is a red herring and this is just him whipping up some attention for himself and he won't even get a mention in the doc

This, if anything.
Although it would be really odd to draw attention to yourself through a #MeToo movement.

MumofSpud · 16/09/2023 08:49

@wheresmymojo Thanks for that - interesting read!
I am surprised then that they haven't tried to get an injunction !!

Also for it to be a whole programme about one person the allegations would have to be severe so we can assume that there are more

GoodOldEmmaNess · 16/09/2023 08:51

I'm not sure that it is pre-agreed banter, @RamsesTheChub . I was just trying to think through why I don't simply dislike him, and I wondered if I was reacting to him as if I had the uncanny ability to distinguish between faux creepiness and actual creepiness - which would be odd given how much we all know about men who rely on this sort of distinction (and this sort of minimising) to get away with stuff.

Stravaig · 16/09/2023 08:53

An exposé on the military and war crimes during active service.

Loopylooni · 16/09/2023 08:54

There's something odd about David Walliams. He's never ever pictured with his son. OK there may be restrictions in place but everyone is photographed somehow. I think he's not allowed to see his son somehow. Didnt Lara Stone immediately file for divorce after walking in on him doing something?

oioicheeky · 16/09/2023 08:56

I've just watched RB's video.

What a ramble!

There is no way this can be about him. 90 minutes on dispatches? No way.

(As an aside, and I don't want to derail the thread, I never read/watch anything to do with RB, and that video hasn't changed my opinion that he's not worth listening to, but he seems to think highly of himself and thinks he's very enlightened.....what is his stance on the trans issue? Is he TWAW?)

Finlesswonder · 16/09/2023 08:59

For this to be a breaking news C4 Dispatches, I'm sorry to have to say it will "need" to be something much darker than "just" some comedians slept with some girls.
I know it's horrible to think that that "isn't bad enough", but honestly off the back of Saville, #MeToo, Prince bloody Andrew etc, this has become so commonplace the public are (IMO) desensitised to older media men sleeping with girls.

Clawdy · 16/09/2023 09:00

Loopylooni · 16/09/2023 08:54

There's something odd about David Walliams. He's never ever pictured with his son. OK there may be restrictions in place but everyone is photographed somehow. I think he's not allowed to see his son somehow. Didnt Lara Stone immediately file for divorce after walking in on him doing something?

Heard he has joint custody of his son.

PomPomSugar · 16/09/2023 09:01

I called Russell Brand on the first thread as I’d had an email from someone in the know. If you think RB is ‘hardly mainstream anymore’ you should take a look at his socials and following. He is massive in the conspiracy world.

milafawny · 16/09/2023 09:01

DW and ML being the others involved and mentioned in that email leak makes much more sense than NF. ML has appeared in numerous "big" films over the years whereas NF doesnt really have the same platform.

LondonMummer · 16/09/2023 09:02

Loopylooni · 16/09/2023 08:54

There's something odd about David Walliams. He's never ever pictured with his son. OK there may be restrictions in place but everyone is photographed somehow. I think he's not allowed to see his son somehow. Didnt Lara Stone immediately file for divorce after walking in on him doing something?

This is utter horseshit and the type of dangerous defamatory speculation I suspect this programme is ACTUALLY about.

RamsesTheChub · 16/09/2023 09:04

@GoodOldEmmaNess

Yes, sorry I did understand your post and agree to an extent, just went a bit off on a tangent haha.

Gwenhwyfar · 16/09/2023 09:06

SoIinvictus · 15/09/2023 21:52

Might it be Gwen doesn't even like omelettes?

I took that personally as I posted on how to make an omelette recently.

ScottishIceCream · 16/09/2023 09:07

LondonMummer · 16/09/2023 09:02

This is utter horseshit and the type of dangerous defamatory speculation I suspect this programme is ACTUALLY about.

It's going to be really fucking annoying if the programme is about that and they cite things said about DW as examples.

WestwardHo1 · 16/09/2023 09:07

Bigger than 10,000+ Libyans being killed in one fell swoop because of climate change and the idiocy of war? Bigger than the earth becoming uninhabitable within 15 years?

Seems to be that if it IS RB or something similar it's the ultimate dead cat.

Finlesswonder · 16/09/2023 09:08

By "ML" do people mean Matt Lucas?

Suckingalemon · 16/09/2023 09:09

If I was making a documentary about allegations on a series of comedians, who haven't necessarily all worked together, I'd probably run it as a series, partly to build the anticipation of "who's next to be named". Ending with the big household name jaw dropper.

So I'm another who thinks this could be a distraction to a bigger more institution/covid based issue. Or aliens. Has this been in production for years in anticipation of an official secrets document or similar reaching expiry?

I admit I don't want to hear about more creepy overpaid celebrities sexual habits, I rather the police just handled that.

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