XL bully’s to be banned

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So what will happen? There are so many breeders of these dogs. I can think of at least 10 breeders near me that I see on Instagram.

what will happen to the ones people already have as pets? And what about pocket bully’s?

I'd rather ban Khan and Sunak!

Knife crime is a bigger danger.

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Firstly, I'm not a dog person and would generally steer clear of these dogs. I think it's an issue with bad owners who don't train their dogs, have them off leash in the wrong places, don't exercise them enough etc.
I know someone who acquired one, they work in a vets and the scumbag breeder wanted this pup PTS as it was born with a "defect" so he couldn't sell it. They have raised this puppy from being tiny, trained it and is a fully responsible owner. They didn't intentionally get one but I'm sure would be distraught if the dog had to be PTS.
There is a deeper problem which needs to be addressed around the breeding and selling of animals, not just dogs.

The Dangerous Dogs Act is certainly flawed and this won't solve the problem entirely but this news makes me breathe a big sigh of relief. These dogs have caused a number of fatalities in a way that other dog breeds simply have not. They are terrifying to encounter and this news will at least discourage some people from buying them - ok, maybe for some it increases the appeal of an already intimidating dog, but for the clueless idiots who bring these things home to their children believing they're a 'big softie' this might be a wake up call. If this brings about a reduction in the number of xl bullies, it can only be a good thing.

Words of Anneka Svenska -

Please listen. Southend Dog Training talks sense. We must stand behind the innocent dogs that are molded by humans. Basically pawns. We must licence breeders and owners and soon the awful ones will stop trading and keeping these breeds, leaving just the responsible good ones. Dogs sold for pennies and bred with no legislation end up being used and exploited creating bad breeding with dogs with poor personalities and upbringing. On animal watch I’ve NEVER met an aggressive American Bully, but I have met hundreds of aggressive toy dogs. I’m fed up of MPs trying to take the easy road, we need dog licences to stop puppy farmers and all manner of back yard breeders so let’s tackle everything in one fell swoop!
Anneka xx

Also -

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I don't know why people think bringing up aggressive toy breeds helps their cause of defending bullies - doesn't it just highlight even more why bullies are a problem? A man was killed in the street by two xl bullies yesterday; if he'd been attacked by a pair of small dogs he would still be alive. Aggressive chihuahuas don't pose anything like the same danger.

I'm thrilled at this news. Definitely not a Sunak fan but support him all the way on this. Just hope Starmer is willing to back a ban too so it has an easy passage through legislation.

Thank god, there’s one near me walked off the lead and it’s terrifying. There are loads of kids around and I feel sick when I see it on the high street.

The difficulty is defining the breed. Pit bulls are a problem as they are not a recognised breed.

It’s unlikely they will just demand a blanket PTS of everyone’s pets.

Under the current dangerous dog act, all existing XL bullies who are deemed of good temperament can be ‘exempted’- registered, neutered, chipped, kept muzzled and on lead, third party insurance. It will be illegal to breed, sell or rehome the breed.

The theory is that the existing dogs won’t pose a threat and the breed will naturally die out.
The reality is very different unfortunately.

I agree it won't work in actually eliminating the breed - but it does help people who are forced to live near these dogs. If someone on your street owns one and walks it off lead or unmuzzled, this enables you to report it and have the owner forced to either comply or lose the dog. That in itself will be a big relief to those afraid to walk their smaller dogs or take their children to the local park because of these dogs.

Absolutely agree 100percent
I’m in a family park now and a grandmother let it be known about the hopeful ban

Parents, and owners of smaller dogs that are targeted by these aggressive dogs breathed a sigh of relief.

They are a detested type of dog because of deaths and injuries they cause.

They are terrifying and often owned by a certain type.

I can't imagine what a ban would actually do given there are so many around now. They have large litters too.

I am tired of the 'no bad dogs just bad owners' argument. This is a situation where neglect can have fatal consequences on anyone unfortunate to encounter one of these triggered dogs.

It is appalling that it has got to this. The arguments for keeping them are pathetic.

I’d be a strong advocate for licensing all dogs tbh. It amazes me that we can just buy a dog no qualms and do whatever (or not) training wise.

recently went to a comedy show where they joked about being able to just buy a horse and ride it with no license and no questions asked. It is astounding when you compare the likes of owning an animal to some of the less important things we are policed on.

Get a grip the person comparing it to knife crime it’s not either or and it’s not helpful at all.

These dogs were bred to be gangster accessories. I agree completely it’s not the dogs fault, I’m a way it’s often not even the owners fault when you look at a lot of the cases of attacks resulting in mortality. It’s the simple fact that the one day the friendly family dog switches then that’s it.

You’re not getting that jaw off your arm or neck. I’ve had poodles, rescue mongrels, collies, Alsatians.

Every single one had a time when they were ill or tired or a kid or something spooked them and they snapped, the difference is their body wasn’t bred to be like a brick shithouse and their jaw isn’t the same.

Its not essential to have a dog like this, I believe if someone is that obsessed with the look and breed than your just like someone wanting a Chanel handbag.

People keep saying ''It's the owners''- but it isn't.
There is something inherent in these fighting bred {or fighting lineage} that makes them have a very short fuse and they are genetically driven to attack other dogs, children , sheep, horses, people.

It's like having a ticking timebomb and when that thing goes off, triggered by the merest thing, severe injury or death results.

Regarding licensing- It will be the responsible dog owners who do this-

I bet the average ''Bully's '' owner {always with the apostrophe} won't be licensing a dog or insuring it against third party injury or worse.

I'm not sure how the Government will go ahead banning these dangerous dogs- It had better be watertight.

Spain so someone said insists on dogs over 20 kilos to be leashed and muzzled in public.
That at least is a start.

It isn't the owners. It's the dogs. But even if it were the owners what different does that make? If terrible owners had chihuahuas or Jack Russells and didn't keep them under control it wouldn't matter anywhere near as much. I'd rather have a nipped ankle or calf from a little out of control dog than have my throat and guts ripped out by a massive powerhouse of muscle. Whether it's the dog's or the owner's fault is irrelevant.

They are owned and bred by drug dealers, scallies, thugs and people who want a status dog. There is zero chance that they're going to get a dog microchipped/neutured just because the Government says so. They will be worth even more money now, and will be bred in even worse conditions than they already are.

The reality is that this breed was a way round the pitbull ban. The effect of banning the bully too means that another hybrid breed will be just as dangerous in a few years.

I'm wondering if everyone who's saying not to ban them how they would feel if it was there child/dad/mum/brother/sister who was attacked with one. Maybe killed.
There's an extreme amount of attacks with this breed of dog.
For once I think the government are stepping up and I'm more than happy at the news of them being banned

I massively agree!! I have pockets not XLs but it’s not the dog it’s the owner and bad breeding!!

Pitbulls ban did work.

Yes some of around and this gets around that however.. It's bloody better than the currents free for all.

We just need police to back it up

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I am massively in favour of this ban. I recognise not all dogs are the same, but this is a dog known for genetic aggressive behaviour and can grow to be 9st of pure muscle!! That is not a family dog FFS, that is a killing machine waiting to go off.

Watch the panorama doc on Iplayer about these dogs and the breeding, fucking scary stuff.

Hopefully it will stop people owning them, and make it easier for police to deal with those that do. There will always be those who try to own an illegal dog, the same as there are always people who try to ignore the law. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't bring in the ban.

I think all dogs over a certain weight, and/or a certain breed should be required by law to be insured, chipped and neutered. In fact I think a license and a home visit to assess suitability should also be required but that's unlikely to happen.

It should also be illegal to purchase a puppy from an unregistered breeder, and registered breeders should be checked and regulated. They should have surprise visits to check breeding is being done properly and the animals well cared for. And no animal should be sold until neutered/spade at the cost of the breeder to ensure no "accidental" puppies from the "oh, my sisters dog accidentally mated with her, we didn't mean it to happen" brigade and less people breeding dogs once they know they have to foot the vet bill for fixing the dog before they can rehome it.

This exactly, any dog can have a bad moment or get hurt and snap.

I saw a very interesting article on Facebook (I know, I know) talking about how many of these dogs have been bred from one particular dog in the US which was itself
inbred and had temperamental issues. Then they have inbred further, using frozen sperm from the original dog and breeding fathers to daughters and so on, so this temperamental instability has only been amplified.

It’s very sad. The dogs themselves didn’t ask for all this, and the people who have died or been hurt certainly didn’t. All because some humans decided that they wanted dogs that looked a certain way.

https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/

I wish I believed this was true but breeds have traits- terriers want to catch small animals, collies herd, labs retrieve. Bulldog types have been bred to be solid, strong dogs who unfortunately now often have an uncertain temperament and all the sugar coating in the world isn't going to change that. XL Bullies take that to the extreme.

There's one in the area where I live that makes me very nervous - and I grew up with a Rhodesian Ridgeback and an Alsatian! (As they were then). It barks and lunges at people and has already bitten its owner quite badly - if it had been mine, it would have been PTS.

Of course a lot of these dogs won't go away - they'll magically become something else which will probably be banned too down the line.