XL bully’s to be banned

[Tonightsthenight91]

So what will happen? There are so many breeders of these dogs. I can think of at least 10 breeders near me that I see on Instagram.

what will happen to the ones people already have as pets? And what about pocket bully’s?

and Sam Gaines from the RSPCA that XL Bullies were categorically not bred for fighting' but as companion dogs, which calls into question the validity of adding them to the banned breed list.

They were primarily bred from pit bulls which were categorically bred for fighting. They don’t just lose their breed specific traits over a few generations like that.

Why don’t you ask Sam Gaines from the RSPCA why the RSPCA’s insurance refuses to cover several specific breeds including Pit Bulls and XL Bullys?

@CrossBun This has actually been asked of the RSCA on several occasions, but as I also said it was not just the RSPCA but also David Martin, expert vet in court cases. As I said I have a copy of the minutes of the DEFRA committee and this is what I am reporting on.

Just ask them if they're happy for one of these animals to spend the day and night with their family members, including children. They'd soon change their minds then.

They're man created monstrosities with absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Get rid of them altogether. The attacks and killings will continue whilst they exist.

As for "it's not the breed, it's the owner". Rubbish. Sheep farmers don't use chihuahuas to herd sheep and police don't use cockapoos to chase criminals.

Knife crime/crime in general is already banned, that's why they're crimes.

James McNally, who is also known as The Dog Bite Solicitor has not changed his stance and is still saying his firm deal with 400 dog bite cases a day and not one from an XL.

Well that’s because of a combination of

• victims of XL bullies aren’t generally in a state to sue
• the bite was severe enough that the dog is PTS immediately without the need for a court case
• the owners can’t afford/be bothered to get a solicitor to fight it
• the solicitors aren’t going to take on a case they will lose (most of the deaths/maulings from XL bullies are pretty cut and dry)

Oldsu that doesn’t address the issues you’re just coming out with a string of words!

Specifically
Bully XLs were bred from Pit Bulls a few decades ago, which were bred and honed for fighting and aggression.
And
The RSPCA’s insurance which they sell excludes Pit Bulls and Bully XLs (and anything else bred from a fighting dog).

Because it has been proven that with this breed, it is genetics and not upbringing that makes them dangerous.
The best owner and upbringing in the world cannot cancel out years and years of breed history.

All dogs that look anything like them should be counted forget dna etc. If they have the jaw they should be c9vered by the law.

Exactly! That woman is an idiot. Mind you, the RSPCA are largely useless anyway.

@CrossBun I am not coming out with a string of anything I am telling you about the evidence from a range of experts that was presented at the DEFRA committee, whether you agree with it or not, its still something the committee should have considered Coffrey only took 4 minutes to ban the dogs after another meeting without it seems taking any of the arguments into consideration and why are you so fixated on just that one point why not comment on the rest?

I think it is easy to agree gaps in the stats but less easy to dismiss the verified deaths- Jack Lis in particular is tragic and disturbing. And Ian Price’s death was horrific. Unfortunately the stats in the states are even worse.

And I’d just point out that if people were really dog lovers then they should be very concerned about the number of other dogs and animals killed by XL Bullies- hundreds every year. Far, far more than any other breed.

And this is a breed thing. They are so, so, so inbred by greedy morons that their temperament is extremely unpredictable. The breeding program in this country started with a 35% inbreeding coefficient and only got worse from there. It would be extremely difficult to raise an XL with a totally trustworthy temperament.

I'd be really interested to know what this means for dog rescues, what will they do with the influx of bullies getting abandoned and handed in.
I have noticed that a few that I follow seem to be re categorising dogs they would have called Bully X 's as 'crossbreeds' or 'staffy crossbreeds' but surely they won't legally be allowed tore-home them now and nobody will want them anyway.

I’ve never seen a dog classified as an XL at a rescue centre before. Always as a crossbreed. There was no definition until Wednesday.

i would image they’ll all have to be pts. Let down by humans from start to finish.

This rescue says they will PTS
https://www.hoperescue.org.uk/advice-for-xl-bully-owners

Honestly I think that any XL that ends up in a rescue should be PTS regardless of the new rules. They are risky enough without rehoming them with no knowledge of their history.

James McNally, who is also known as The Dog Bite Solicitor has not changed his stance and is still saying his firm deal with 400 dog bite cases a day and not one from an XL.

His firm operates in Devon/Somerset doesn’t it? Maybe if he was in Liverpool, Brum or London, he’d have quite a few XL bully cases.

Every day there are new maulings by this type of dog .
they are bred from fighting Pits, so it's hardly surprising.
That mottled pumpkin head on the one in the illustration above is red nose pit looking .

They are dog aggressive as well, and often people are injured trying to protect their nice pet dog {usually a small and placid type} from the fighting type dog {It's not a breed as such, any more than a 'Lurcher' is.

Doubtless the advertisers are trying to lie and say 'not XL' but if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck- it's a duck.

Whenever a child is mauled to death, {or adult} Pit advocates spam Farcebook with pics of babies placed on XL Pit types and do the usual ''It's the owner, not the breed''

In which case, why do shepherds obtain Border Collies, Why do the police and Army use Malinois, and illegal hare coursers use Salukis - and search dogs use Spaniels.. because the desired traits are hardwired into the dog's genetics.

Fighting breeds have a resistance to pain, are turned on by violence {blunt force is useless in an attack} and their bite style is devastating.

He does indeed live in a rural area- where Pumpkin headed XL's and Pits are less likely to be kept.

He also states genetics play a large part in bite style.

Copied from his website:
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James told the Express that he has never dealt with an XL Bully case. That doesn’t mean to say the breed isn’t a danger, but it does suggest that the real problem lies elsewhere. Breeds such as Collies, Jack Russell/terrier type dogs, greyhounds, huskies and Akitas are all regularly feature in James’s caseload.

The issue of dog bites is highly nuanced. “Different breeds will be slightly more dangerous under different circumstances,” James told Express.co.uk, “with much coming down to a dog’s inherent genetic makeup.”

“What’s interesting,” he added, ” is how almost predictable each breed is in terms of the circumstances in which they bite and attack.”

So, for example, breeds that are traditionally used for herding lead to a lot of claims for biting cyclists and runners’ ankles, biting near the feet as they would when herding sheep.

Greyhounds on the other hand are most often involved in attacks on smaller dogs, which they can mistake for rabbits.

James explained that ninety percent of the claims we handle at Slee Blackwell involve single bites. They often feature dogs which are unwell, or are having a bad day. Very often the dogs will give signals that they should not be approached which the owners. ignore.''

Single Bites.
As opposed to the mauling and ragging that XL's do.

This is from Emma Whitfield, the mum of Jack Lis:
"It’s been nearly two years I’ve been without Jack and we are only just now seeing a response from Government. As much as I do agree with the ban because of what’s happened to us and all over the country, they can’t introduce this and think that it solves everything because it doesn’t.

The bad breeders, owners and sellers will still be at large with many other breeds and this needs tackling too. My campaign focuses on these things and I will continue to speak out until we see change in those areas. Jack is behind everything I do and I will carry on fighting for him and other innocent victims.

On a day where a lot of what I’ve seen has been the dogs. Here is Jack. I miss your smile so much dude

#ForJackLis #JackLisLaw"

https://twitter.com/Emma__Whitfield

Jack Lis is a Beautiful boy.

His mother has been hounded by Pit advocates.

Children were killed in the States onHalloween night-
One child had grown up with the Pit.
The ‘ Nanny’ dog is just a myth- there is no historical record of them
EVER being “ Nannies”.

Shelters recycling fighting breeds often woefully lie as to the parentage-
Italian Greyhound cross.
Afghan Cross.

( USA)

I believe there is a chicken and egg paradox here too. Sure the bull breeds descend from fighting dogs and probably retain that ‘game ness’ or whatever it is that makes them more likely to turn. But you have a plethora of different breeds to select from, much more attractive and balanced looking animals , much more agreeable personality traits after years of breeding gun dogs and lap dogs and so on. To deliberately select an animal with an ugly flat face and muscular physique indicates you want something that’s threatening. That tells a whole story about the person that chooses the dog. Unless you need that animal in a working capacity, then it’s a companion, skinny, fluffy dogs make excellent companions! Choosing something to have in your house that’s capable of murdering your own child if it’s having a bad day indicates a very low IQ. Put them all to sleep! And the muppets that buy them.

When are they banning them?
What's the plan for getting rid of them?

Fireworks being sold anywhere snd everywhere is also completely ridiculous

Under the new rules, which come into force at the end of the year, it will be illegal to breed, sell, advertise, exchange, gift, rehome, abandon or allow XL Bully dogs to stray in England and Wales.
From this date, these dogs must be kept on a lead and muzzled in public. Owners of XL Bully dogs are recommended to start training their dog to wear a muzzle and to walk on a lead ahead of the legal restrictions coming into force.
Breeders have also been told to stop mating these types of dogs from now in preparation of it being a criminal offence to sell or rehome these dogs.
From 1 February 2024 , it will then become illegal to own an XL Bully dog if it is not registered on the Index of Exempted Dogs. By staggering these two dates, current owners of this breed will have time to prepare for these new rules.
Owners who wish to keep their dogs will have until the end of January to register them and will be forced to comply with strict requirements. As well as being muzzled and kept on a lead in public, these dogs must also be microchipped and neutered.
Dogs under one year when the ban comes in must be neutered by the end of the year, older dogs must be neutered by the end of June.
From 1 February, owners without a Certificate of Exemption face a criminal record and an unlimited fine if they are found to be in possession of an XL Bully type, and their dog could be seized.

I'm so pleased this ban is finally happening. I come from an area where these are rife and the times people post how ones loose on the streets locally is truely terrifying for the sake of any passers by waking their own dogs or children that come in to contact with one with no owner in sight. And honestly all the owners who have them round here are the lowest of the low, scum bags who think they're ten men, grown adults still dressed in trakkies who can't even handle the weight of them, two hands aren't enough, it's comical as the dogs take them for a walk not the other way round but abs ridiculous same time when you see the danger these dogs present with their sheer size and power. Any animal of that weight, size and power isn't safe to be kept as a pet so I'm all in favour it's just a damn shame it wasn't sooner for all the poor kids that have gone through what they have and lost their lives and the adults too!