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Morbidly Obese - help?!

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 13/09/2023 17:07

I'd really love some support from anyone who has been here or who has knowledge in this area.

I am very overweight and really need to get a handle on it.

I would really like to try to avoid surgery although I suspect I would qualify.

Is there any help I can access?

Or what has helped people? its so different tryong to lose10 stone to 2! I am so ashamed its got this bad but I want to change.

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ProjectsGalore · 15/12/2023 09:13

Well done everyone here. I've now managed 2 stone and am going to loosen the reins over Christmas if I want. I won't gorge myself for 2 weeks but I will have Christmas dinner and trifle and chocolates! My view is that mixing up what you do calorie and meal and protein ans carbs wise means that your body doesn't adapt to something and then prevent you losing weight. Micheal Moseley talks about being fat adapted and each going into and out of ketosis being beneficial. I'm hoping to get a new set point now. Looking back I am horrified how much weight I put on during lock down.

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 15/12/2023 23:25

Oh well done 2stone! How have you been doing it, how long etc? (You've probably said before but I have no retention at the moment!)

I weighed today and lost another 5 lbs. I weigh every 2 weeks and last time I weighed it was only 1lb but it was the day before my period so some of it is "from" then. It really does show its not linear and that our weight is affected by so much other than how "well" we are doing nutrition/exercise.

I also measured today and I've lost an inch or so on most measurements!!! Where I'm still 21 stone (😲) it's not particularly visible but it's good to know irs going the right way.

Ib my mind I'm thinking 10% variability is before set point theory comes into place so when I get to 20 my body may not want to lose more 😬.

It's such a long journey...

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Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 16/12/2023 00:11

Well done OP. How much is that overall? Do you feel lighter yet?

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 16/12/2023 00:17

About 1st 4lbs/5lbs.

I dont feel lighter and iI still look very morbidly obese . I think at 21st and a but that will be the case for ages sadly (I would love for it to make a difference now!)

But I am feeling better in myself. Its a mix of things though, and I don't know ow what I can attribute to what. Coming off mirtazapine has been huge and I'm much more present in the moment- and I guess a good chunk of weight loss will just be coming off the drugs rather than my effort (so hoping to put good practices in place for when that wears off)

And also I had an awful chest infection that landed me in hospital (I wonder long covid now but wasn't diagnosed that way) so for about a year was struggling with stairs and short distances.

This is so much better and I find I can take the stairs at work and walk from the car park etc. Again may not yet be result of my work but is in the right direction.

I would like to be able to walk more. I get sort of outer shin/calf pain when indo and waiting for an orthotics appointment. But got to 10mins the other day then a rest. Then 10 mins more. But daily I o my walk to the car and back.

In January I'd like to try and build in "a walk" in the day.

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85isalive · 16/12/2023 08:13

I am not a "natural" walker, I try to avoid it! But I never regret going!

Start off small and slow, don't set a target too daunting, just try to make small increases. Eg I am going to go 10 mins. That brings me to X point. Tomorrow, I want to get to Y point in the same time.

Build it up.

I only learned this recently: walking will not magically melt off the weight in itself, but it will increase your metabolism over time. So people who walk daily will burn more cals through the day. A study from America showed that people who lose weights and keep it off tend to walk daily (I got this info in a seminar I don't have the source, but the guy giving the seminar knows his stuff!)

I should really get off this sofa and head out...

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 16/12/2023 08:56

About 1st 4lbs/5lbs.

That's 2 to 3 newborn babies, or about 8 bags of sugar, or 36 packs of butter.

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 16/12/2023 09:12

Wow that does sound better put like that.

Ive still got 8.5 stone to lose to get into "overweight" so feels like a drop in the ocean. (And if I start thinking I'm literally carrying another person that gets a bit stressful!)

But 36 packs of butter! Wow.

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Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 16/12/2023 11:32

Its great progress OP, you've broken the back of it. Try not to focus on what you need to lose it will only overwhelm you.

So if you continue at this pace this time next year you would be feeling amazing. No you won't be slim but think of the pressure you are taking off your joints and heart. I think you are great, genuinely!! The more obese you are the harder it is to truly address it so you have been really brave.

PaminaMozart · 16/12/2023 16:42

What @Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong said:

if you continue at this pace this time next year you would be feeling amazing

Just keep on keeping on and you WILL get there.
And all the time it'll keep on getting easier.

If you can do 10-15 minutes with Lucy Wyndham Read most days you'll feel even better!

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 16/12/2023 16:59

Thankyou 😊.

I am going to Google Lucy Wyndham read !

I am doing 10-20mins most days of rebelfit which currently alternates yoga/stretching days, leg/squat days, weights with arms, and core days. I'm only on 2kg weights but it's Doing Something.

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 16/12/2023 17:01

Oooh walking videos!

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CatOnAHotShedRoof · 17/12/2023 17:22

Lucy Wyndham Read has a short series of virtual walks that she filmed, where you can "join" her for a walk around Paris, Venice, London, Vienna, and my current favourite, Blenheim Palace. They are fun to do, and you rack up a surprising number of steps without really noticing that you're doing it.

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 17/12/2023 19:05

Ooh that sounds fab. I have a friend over this weekend so can't do anything weird... but will after she goes!

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NatureGlimmers · 03/01/2024 10:38

How are you doing OP and others on this thread now Christmas and New Year are behind us?

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 04/01/2024 00:51

Hi Nature. I should have weighed today but am really scared it will be SO much heavier. I know some of it will be fluid/water from eating more processessed/salty food but also scared ill have undone the good work. 🙈.

Kids back at school tomorrow so hoping to get back a bit more control on things and get the fruit and veg and protein back up....

I know it's only a few weeks and it was good, I did include veg etc but gosh my appetite came back veg time which I didn't have for ages coming off the drugs.

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NatureGlimmers · 05/01/2024 14:09

Good luck with the weigh in OP! It's daunting isn't it. Although one way to look at it is that having periods of overeating keeps our metabolism working faster, so maybe in theory Christmas is good for us?? 😆That's what I'm telling myself anyway.

I weigh myself daily, but I'm making myself mostly ignore the numbers except for looking at the monthly trend. So between 1 December and 1 January, I lost 1.5kg which I'm very happy with because it is the first time I think I've ever lost weight in December rather than gained. I find the monthly trend easier, because that completely ignores any fluctuation over Christmas and I'm very easily demotivated. January is historically my worst month for weight gain as I have lots of family events and comfort eat during the miserable months so let's see how this January goes! I listened to the latest Zoe podcast about inflamation and now I have a renewed motivation to increase my number of fermented foods this month so I'll be focusing on that too.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 08/01/2024 13:46

@rataverse Your contributions to this thread have been great, how are you doing now?

I am trying to refocus my brain using your approach towards cigarette companies:
They were happily raking in the cash while at the same time jeering at suckers like myself, who were so easily influenced that we were destroying our health,

Its so true, I have been thinking about toffee and caramel non stop for 2 days now, I normally have a chocolate habit but had a lot of these type of sweets over Christmas and now thats what I want. I'm on day 4 of a low sugar regime and read this thread a while back but couldn't find the right frame of mind to start my own weight loss journey until now. If I added up what I have consumed in confectionary over my lifetime it would be shocking. Someone is laughing at the likes of me while I hate myself for my weakness to resist, that negative spiral is what causes me to overeat and on it goes. I've started reading that Ultra processed foods book too for inspiration.

rataverse · 14/01/2024 14:39

I'm still peeved because the chemist hasn't been able to get hold of my 3 injection pens of liraglutide that are on my diabetes repeat prescription, but online pharmacies are having no problem getting hold of it, to sell at £75/pen.

My weight loss had been averaging 3kg/month since February 2022 when I started following the Zoe nutritional guidance, but has slowed down drastically since I had to start using insulin again from mid September. After more than the usual amount of concentration to stay below a self imposed 2000kcal/day limit in November I was very disappointed to only have lost 0.4g at the end of four weeks.

When my Christmas groceries were delivered on the 21st December I decided not to bother with any kind of calorie restriction over Christmas and New Year. I did keep up the habit of not eating from 4pm till 10am, having at least one portion each of kombucha, kimchi, sauerkraut and kefir daily, eating as many different plants as possible, especially the ones containing high levels of phytochemicals, and (after reading Ultra Processed People) I read the ingredients list of everything in my shopping basket, and put back all the old favourites that contained weird non-food ingredients.

I kept on logging everything in the myfitnesspal food diary, and while chomping my way through several boxes of all butter mince pies spread with brandy butter, boxes of Lindt dark chocolate truffles, Genoa cake and Danish marzipan, lebkuchen, several home made nut roasts (made with loads of different chopped nuts, chopped roast chestnuts, fresh cranberries, finely grated root vegetables, mixed herbs and spices, no breadcrumbs because I forgot them while mixing all that lot and spooning it into an assortment of small loaf tins), all 400g of Sainsbury's "haute fromagerie" French cheese selection, a big lump of Stilton, some Wensleydale with cranberries and cointreau, (and fucknose what else I've already managed to repress) I'd been clocking up between 2300 and 3700kcals/day.

So at the end of the next 4 week period, when I climbed on the scales on 10th January, I was expecting to have put some of the weight back on, the only question was how much?

Bafflingly the scales showed that I had lost 0.5kg during the last 4 weeks. So I'd actually lost 0.1kg more over Christmas, when eating to my heart's content (and beyond) compared to when I'd been working so hard to stay below a 2000 kcal limit!

The only explanation I've managed to come up with is that my metabolism must speed up when I eat more, and slow down when I eat fewer calories.

I'm going to test that new theory by eating between 2200 and 2300 kcals/day which will allow me to feel contentedly full, and have fun coming up with meals that pander to my gut microbiome, without my ever feeling deprived or restricted in what I am "allowed" to eat.

I spoke to the diabetes consultant on the phone last week, tragically they don't foresee the NHS being able to source any liraglutide or semaglutide until sometime in 2025 at the earliest. (Plenty of unnecessary foot amputations ahoy!) So now, when I eat carbs I have to count them and inject insulin, which it clears the glucose from my blood and quickly converts it all into fat. I have to accept that weight loss is going to be a lot slower while as the world shortage continues. Won't be forever though, because the pharmaceutical companies are acutely aware of the money they are missing out on, and are expanding their production as quickly as they can. It's just that world demand keeps increasing at a speed that outpaces their ability to create new production lines.

I've decided that the wisest thing to do now is forget about calorie restrictions, and concentrate entirely on eating to boost the good denizens of my gut microbiome, use the EMS machine and the vibration plate every day, and go out for a trundle round the block leaning on my glorious shopping trolley/zimmer frame/mobile chair in the open air whenever I feel up to it.

I'd eaten the last slice of my delicious wholemeal bread (Hodmedods meadowblend #2 - google it and read the ingredients list!) and not got round to refilling the bread machine, so had to defrost a wholemeal pitta bread to go with my breakfast kippers, spinach and kimchi, washed down with coffee and kombucha this morning. Couldn't be arsed cooking anything for lunch so weighed out 35g of Brave crunchy chickpeas with sea salt and vinegar, mixed with a teaspoon of green nori seaweed sprinkles, took 15g of Montezuma's Absolute Dark chocolate (100% chocolate, no other ingredients, very grown up taste) to dip in my hot coffee, and a banana. Now there's an acorn squash baking in the halogen oven, which will be going into soup along with red lentils, sweet potato, frozen vegetable base mix (finely chopped onions, carrots & celery), a couple of bay leaves, 1 tbsp turmeric powder, 1 tsp ground ginger, dried sage, a mini bottle of red wine and a vegetable stock cube. That will make 6 generous servings of soup, and I'll have the first portion for tea today, with a defrosted North Staffordshire oatcake spread with Boursin cheese with garlic and herbs, and a few fork fulls of sauerkraut before being rolled up and dipped piggishly into the soup. If I'm feeling particularly kitchen goddessy I might grate some Gruyere cheese over the hot soup, but I probably won't bother because of having to find the grater, not grate my fingers and then find room for it in the dishwasher. (I have one of those smaller dishwashers that sits on top of the kitchen counter). Kefir mixed with Greek yogurt and defrosted blueberries for afters, and that's me done for the day, apart from whatever teas I drink in the evening (current choices are oolong, purple, green, white, peppermint or camomile).

I can't say it's a hard life. I'm very fortunate to be able to afford to keep the freezer stocked with bread, fruit and vegetables, and have groceries delivered to my door every week to top up the fresh supplies. I don't have anyone else to care for, (except for some fish in an aquarium who will never be able to write exposés about my neglect in the tabloids). I'm still so doddery that just having a shower is a major undertaking, so having a robot vacuum cleaner, washing machine and dishwasher that allow me to (more or less) keep on top of the senile decay are also much appreciated blessings. I recently discovered gel drain cleaner, which solved the problem of not being able to bend down far enough to pull up the drain cover in the shower and hoik out the mat of soap encrusted hair (I call it the Shadow Poodle) that builds up down there and slows the water from draining when I'm showering. Life is full of luxuries that I can manage to afford now that I've got my old age pension.

NatureGlimmers · 28/01/2024 11:17

@rataverse the liraglutide situation is disgraceful and you have my full sympathies. I have recently read The Obesity Code by Jason Fung (highly recommend reading if you haven't already) and my eyes have opened to the fact that it is mostly insulin and insulin resistance (rather than calories) that is driving weight gain or loss, so the fact you have managed to lose anything whilst injecting insulin is testament to the other amazing changes you have made.

I am now eating very similiarly to you - I eat for between 4 and 6 hours, I don't eat UPFs, I eat a wide range of plants, often hitting 100 a week although I've stopped counting now. I eat plants I'd never even heard of only a couple of months ago (camu camu, acerola, schisandra berries, kelp, chlorella, sea buckthorn, baobab etc.) and eat with the main goal of feeding the gut microbiome. I am not restricting calories, and in fact I've found like you that the more I eat the more I lose. My latest theory on this (after reading TOC) is that the protective effect of fibre against insulin is a major driver of this, and almost everything I eat at the moment is high in fibre.

Anyway I thought I'd post again, given the title of this thread, because this morning I weighed in and my BMI is 38.8 and with no comorbidities, I am no longer "morbidly" obese. After trying every other "diet" for years, I didn't think it was possible. 3 health conditions I previously had have evaporated. One I'd had for 15 years. Long may the weight loss, but more importantly, the non-scale victories continue. Thanks to OP @OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo for starting this thread and I hope you are also still finding success.

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