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Morbidly Obese - help?!

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 13/09/2023 17:07

I'd really love some support from anyone who has been here or who has knowledge in this area.

I am very overweight and really need to get a handle on it.

I would really like to try to avoid surgery although I suspect I would qualify.

Is there any help I can access?

Or what has helped people? its so different tryong to lose10 stone to 2! I am so ashamed its got this bad but I want to change.

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MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 01/11/2023 12:56

Well done OP, the only way I could do it is in chunks of half stones, it was so much more manageable that way. Keep going 👏

PaminaMozart · 01/11/2023 16:01

I like kilos. More meaningful than pounds - 1 kilo is 2.2 lb.
But less of a mountain to climb lose than a stone...

rataverse · 02/11/2023 15:23

When I realised that I'd need to loose masses of weight to drop from being morbidly obese to just obese it was a bit depressing. So instead of having such an impossibly distant goal I worked out that 10% of my current body weight would be 16kg and set that as my first goal. Each time I hit the goal I had a little celebration, then recalculated 10% of my new body weight and set that as the goal.

As time goes by the number of kgs I need to loose to hit the next target goes down, and if I didn't have type 2 diabetes I would have hit the target of no longer being classified as morbidly obese when my BMI dropped below 40. Some stinky rotter has decreed that people with "co-morbidities" including type 2 diabetes remain morbidly obese until they get below a BMI of 35.

I've managed to sneak in a few more celebrations along the way, like when I hit the halfway mark between my starting weight and the highest "normal" weight for my height. The next one, which I hope to meet either next week or in 5 weeks time (I only weigh myself every 4 weeks) will be if I manage to get below 100kg for the first time since 1989.

If I can keep up the weight loss there are 3 milestones coming up, first the 100kg, then the next point where I've lost another 10% of my body weight, and then half a kilo after that my BMI will be 34.9 and I'll finally join the happy ranks of the no longer morbidly obese.

Resetting the 10% of my current body weight calculation each time allows me to have more little celebrations than if I based the calculation on my starting weight. So far I've lost 36 percent of my starting weight, but I've been able to celebrate loosing 10% of my body weight 4 times.

The weight loss has slowed down now that my body mass has decreased. I've had to try and limit my calorie intake to 2000/day after only loosing 1.1kg at the last 4 weekly weigh in, when the target had been 2300kcals/day.

As a diabetic I've been on liraglutide for years. Originally in a prescription that included slow release insulin, but since I lost weight and started fasting for 18hrs/day the slow acting insulin started knocking my blood glucose dangerously low during the night, so I managed got the prescription changed to liraglutide without insulin earlier this year. Last month, instead of sending me 3 injection pens the chemist sent 2 pens and an IOU for the third. That happens now and again, but normally they'll deliver the remaining item in the next few days. This time the third pen didn't arrive, so when I ordered this months prescriptions I reminded them that they still owed me a pen from last month, and asked if they'd be sending 4 this time.

The chemist replied that they had been unable to get hold of any liraglutide at all for several weeks, so that they wouldn't be sending any at all, and I should consult with the prescribing physician about alternative medications.

When I phoned the diabetes clinic the nurse said she wished the chemists would stop telling people do to that, because she'd had people crying and screaming at her down the phone several times a day for the past fortnight. She said that private weight loss clinics had bought up all the semaglutide injection pens from the manufacturer in Denmark, and once the pens ran out they started buying up the less effective tablet form of semaglutide, and all the liraglutide too. Which is why there was nothing left for diabetics trying to get their medicine on the NHS. She said the shortages were expected to last until December next year, and in the meantime diabetics who have been managing without insulin will have to go back to counting the carbohydrate grams in every meal, and measuring out doses of insulin to take before eating.

That's a real pain in the arse, because it removes all spontaneity from meal times. No grabbing an extra slice of bread if you've only injected enough insulin for one slice, and no leaving stuff on your plate if you don't want to have a hypo later.

If you get the dose wrong and take a bit too much insulin it makes you ravenous for stodgy carbs and sweet things. Last week, while still trying to calculate how many units of insulin my new body size needs per gram of carbs I overdid it a bit and found myself eating an entire packet of almond cantuccini that had been sitting neglected in the cupboard since last Christmas. I was only going to have one, but couldn't stop once I started, adding an extra 690kcals to that day's total.

I searched for liraglutide from online pharmacies and found that quite a few weight loss clinics were selling it at £75/pen. I seriously considered signing up to one of them, just to get one pen to give myself a third of the usual dose for another month, until I realised that you have to pay for a "private consultation" first which costs a couple of hundred quid, and no guarantee that they'll have any liraglutide left by the time you've been assessed.

Last year the diabetes consultant said they'd move me onto semaglutide in February this year, because there were "temporary" shortages that meant they couldn't prescribe semaglutide to new patients, but the Danish factory was building out the production line, and were expecting to have solved the shortage problem by December 2022. When I phoned in February they said the restrictions on prescribing to new patients were still in force, the new production line was running, but demand had increased so much that it was even more difficult to find the injection pens for their existing patients.

Apparently there are now shortages of bog standard insulin too. Which is even more concerning. It is going to cost the health services a fortune in amputated feet and care for newly blind people if it continues.

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PaminaMozart · 02/11/2023 16:03

When I realised that I'd need to loose masses of weight to drop from being morbidly obese to just obese it was a bit depressing. So instead of having such an impossibly distant goal I worked out that 10% of my current body weight would be 16kg and set that as my first goal. Each time I hit the goal I had a little celebration, then recalculated 10% of my new body weight and set that as the goal.

That's a really useful way of looking at weight loss!!

And you have done extremely well, @MrsPelligrinoPetrichor and are an inspiration to many, I think.

I've read about the supply issues with GLP-1 agonists. I think it's an absolute scandal that these drugs are not prioritised for diabetics and the government should step in to ensure that they are dispensed according to medical need.

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 02/11/2023 21:55

Hi Rataverse. I'm always in awe of how well you've done and how far you've come.

I think I'm in a similar starting place to you (Under 100kg would take me down a under 35bmi too). I've written some key numbers in a book where I'm going to record a monthly weight. Its huge though and seems completely unsurmountable right now. Its so encouraging to hear how far you've come.

It's such a long slog isn't it? How long is it you've been eating differently?

I'm so sorry about the diabetes medication . That's just completely wrong isn't it 😔. And so wrong with the insulin too I am so sorry. There should be more control of the drug.

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Daisybuttercup12345 · 03/11/2023 09:22

Peridot1 · 14/09/2023 08:48

Ozempic is for diabetes but the sister drug Wegovy which is for weight loss (same medication) is now available in the UK and on the NHS. So if you can get a sympathetic GP you may be able to access that.

If you think you may have the wrong GP for your appointment maybe try to change it.

In the meantime - if they offer Slimming World it might be worth trying. Concentrating on whole foods, lots of fruit and veg and whole grains and protein. Cut way back on any processed foods. Ignore the Muller Light and other low cal processed rubbish.

Try to reframe it in your head. It’s not a diet with an end in sight. It’s a way of eating healthy food for life as you deserve healthy nourishing foods. They will make you feel better. Cutting processed foods can help with inflammation and will help with general aches and pains as well as contributing to weight loss. It’s not a punishment regime. It has to be foods you like. Foods you can make easily. Foods that fit into your lifestyle.

Some of these new drugs carry an increased risk of thyroid cancer I believe.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/11/2023 11:16

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Some of these new drugs carry an increased risk of thyroid cancer I believe.”

Morbid obesity carries an increased risk of all kinds of cancers.

rataverse · 03/11/2023 14:15

It's such a long slog isn't it? How long is it you've been eating differently?

Since the end of February last year, that's when I put in my first order for a delivery of live kimchi and sauerkraut, and made kefir and kombucha a regular addition to the grocery order.

I started following the Zoe podcast recommendations in an attempt to get control over my rheumatoid arthritis and be able to walk normally again. The vibration plate that I bought in June has improved my balance, and the EMS machine that I bought in late September, has strengthened the muscles in my shin so that, if I concentrate, and keep a stick in my left hand to take some of the weight off my right leg, I can manage a few steps without limping. That gives me more hope than I had earlier in the year. The physiotherapist was useless, but she did introduce me to electrical muscle stimulation and that is turning out to be very helpful.

I got so cocky that I even started looking into aqua aerobics at the local leisure centre. Until I tried to take the curtains down to wash them and discovered that I can't climb above the first step on the step ladder. So climbing a ladder to get in and out of the pool might not be possible yet, and I'd feel even more silly turning up to an aqua aerobics group, in a new swimming costume, walking to the edge of the pool, getting my foot on the first rung, then realising that I'd not be able to get out again and retreating in disgrace.

When I first started standing on the vibration plate I needed two sticks to keep my balance. Didn't take all that long before I could manage with one stick, and now the stick mostly leans against the table in front of me, ready to be grabbed if I get dizzy, but I'm mostly managing not just standing on the board for 15 minutes (which seemed an impossible goal at the outset) but also lifting onto the balls of my feet and back down again in a sort of pathetic impersonation of walking without falling over. Result!

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 20/11/2023 17:15

How are you doing Rataverse?

I'm now 6 weeks off my drugs which has helped no end. They were literally making me hungry all the time. Although I imagine the move away from upf has helped too.

I'm 12 pounds down so far (over 7ish weeks) .

I'm now doing around 20mins exercise a day (gone "up" a level with Rebel fit so do roughly 10 mins of gentle yoga type stretching and 10 mins of low weights or similar. ) I've found it so helpful as I don't stress if it isn't perfect.

Eating is so much better but still waiting for the whoosh of hunger to come back post withdrawal and for it to get harder again.

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NatureGlimmers · 20/11/2023 17:59

Hi, I came across this thread a few weeks ago just after I'd given up UPFs. I read about @rataverse's experience and decided to do the plant challenge as well as adding in kefir, kombucha, kimchi and sauerkraut to my diet. I have had some of the first three but still working up to being brave enough for the sauerkraut! I found I was hitting 30 plants almost in the first day now that I'm eating 0% UPF so I'm aiming just to increase the number each week - last week I hit 87 so I have a big target for this week. I'm also fasting for 12 hours in the week and longer on the weekend. I struggle to do any more than that due to work commitments but I'm finding that discipline really helpful too.

I also came off some medication which I believe was harming my gut microbiome. It's only been three weeks of all of this but my mental health has improved, I'm losing weight (for the first time in a while) without counting calories or restricting my eating at all and my digestive issues have pretty much all cleared up so I'm hoping the positive changes continue!

Well done on the exercise @OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo , that's an area I'm really struggling to start with due to lots of chronic pain but it's a future goal.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 20/11/2023 18:05

That's fantastic progress, @OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo .

Don't fear the sauerkraut @NatureGlimmers it's a lot less challenging than the kimchi!

PaminaMozart · 20/11/2023 19:56

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 20/11/2023 18:05

That's fantastic progress, @OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo .

Don't fear the sauerkraut @NatureGlimmers it's a lot less challenging than the kimchi!

You took the words out of my mouth, @BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn !!

12 pounds in under 2 months - fantastic!!

Definitely no need to be afraid of Sauerkraut. You can eat eat it hot or cold. The Germans eat a lot of it, so there must be some nice recipes out there...... maybe on YouTube?

If you are looking for some gentle and easy exercise, @NatureGlimmers , check out Lucy Wyndham Read. She is lovely and most of her workouts are very short.

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 21/11/2023 07:11

Nature well done!!

I'm having a bit of a blip- was googling people who had "lost 100lbs " (to be clear I need to lose more than that) as inspiration.

And all those articles pop up showing how it is near impossible for someone morbidly obese to lose weight wothout medical intervention. Hence the move these days to "lose 10%" of body weight or "lose 5 %" .

I'm a bit scared biology might be against me. I feel so frustrated it got this bad in the first Place.

I know the healthy changes will help anyway but feels like this is my whole focus day to day at the moment and if it just all piles back on again or I can't do it it seems such a waste.

I wish my Dr was more contactable or we had weight loss trained advise. I do have a 2 weekly "coach call" from stage 2 but it's just a "how she you doing/what are you doing this week" which is nice but just checks in with all these changes I've made independently.

I do think upf messes up your system so reducing that will need to be long term. But even so maybe a normal (well I'm aiming for "overweight" rather than "obese" bmi isn't possible).

I know I'm doing the right things. Maybe it will even out to being a big body but less than I am now. I think I will struggle mentally if it all just goes back on.

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PaminaMozart · 21/11/2023 11:46

Well, whatever you are currently doing is clearly working! 12lb in 7 weeks is impressive. You have made a lot of healthy changes and this is clearly paying off. It's natural to focus on this while you are getting used to it, but hopefully these changes will become your new normal.

How would you feel if it were to take 5 years or more of doing what you are doing now to get close to a healthy weight? I think you are quite young, so you would have lots of (healthy) life left, am I right?

Keep on keeping off the UPF and the sugar and you're more than half way there. Maybe start looking at working out with dumbbells - building muscles is incredibly motivating and empowering. Try this for a start - 3kg dumbbells maybe:

loveyouradvice · 21/11/2023 13:09

Just wanted to pop in to cheer you on your way... WOW!!! Amazing and inspiring journey... and you've already lost 12lbs.

I love the old tip of looking at bags of sugar and imagining how many you have lost - that's 5.5 x 1 kg bags - A HUGE AMOUNT. Just take a look next time you are food shopping!! So your body is already benefitting from that much less weight as you move.

And wow again - already up to 20 mins exercise most days. That's great.

You are doing an amazing job. And I love how reflective you are about what works for you.

I too am a big "gut" fan and like you have ordered from Loving Foods as they have less sugar in kombucha which has to help. I dont drink much to keep the costs down - little and often they reckon. And do keep eating those beans - like you, I buy them in tins or sachets nad just add a tablespoon to my salad each day... so darn good for your gut.

I've lost 5 stone thru intermittent fasting, to get to my goal weight... and yes a 12 hour window DEFINITELY helps your body which you mentioned up thread... of course its great if that is sometimes 11 or 10 but 12 already is making a big difference to how your body processes things and how it can start recovering.

I am so looking forward to following the next stages of your journey - love how you are posting nd sharing your thoughts and decisions and successes!

GOOD LCUK ... or perhaps more appropriately my Mum's favourite phrase - COURAGE MON BRAVE!!!

ps Top tip - have a Christmas plan ahead of getting there... it helped me having a rough plan for the Christmas period and then planning 2-3 days ahead each morning and reflecting on how the day before had gone... just took a few minutes

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 23/11/2023 00:17

Pamina - thankyou 😊. I've accepted it could take a while (I'd love it to be 2 years but as long as its downward longer is okay). Its just there's some research papers showing people regain it - and looking at hormones and metabolism and all sorts. We rarely do things with a 95% fail rate. But I need to try and the changes with diet away from upf/towards protien and veg needs to be permanent anyway. Its not like I'm following a restrictive diet currently. I'm a bit scared ill even out at 17 or 16 stone and still be morbidly obese. But need to keep on for now. I guess I'm scared surgery is the only proven method.

Wow @loveyouradvice . What an apt name!! And thankyou for the encouragement ☺️😊 . My second loving foods order arrived and I'm looking forward to the kimchi flavours!

Wow 5 stone! That's fantastic. Bet that feels so much different?! Do you have ore to lose? How have you found it all?

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 23/11/2023 00:19

Oh and Pamina yes to weights. I'm only upto 2kg while I get used to them. And my body is very weak. I'm following a rebeltfit plan which in practice is 10min of yoga/yoga ish stretches or moves and then 10mins of weights or body weight moves! All very gentle but it's getting me doing something I can stick to.

I've been thinking when I've lost 5 or 6 stone (so still will be obese!) I would love to swim more and hopefully I'll be able to walk more by then and it would be lovely to build back in walking.

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PaminaMozart · 23/11/2023 01:13

You will get there if you keep doing what you are doing now. In time it will become a way of life, and if so you won't regain the weight.

By the way, you can do a lot of weight-based exercises sitting or lying down. Much easier and less risk of hurting your back.

If you can also work on your core - leg lowering and variations thereof - you'll find walking and lifting weights much easier.

I've probably mentioned Lucy Wyndham Read before. She is great for the less fit. I've been doing this one for years and it is soooooo effective:

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 23/11/2023 07:22

Oooh will have a look. Thankyou 😊

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NatureGlimmers · 29/11/2023 16:36

Just finished a month of no UPF and am down 2.6kg (nearly 6lbs) so I'm very happy with that. You were all right about the sauerkraut (Loving Foods), it wasn't that bad. The only issue was that all the liquid exploded off the top when I opened it and so after the first taste, it seemed quite dry. Not sure how to avoid that. Thanks for the Lucy Wyndham recommendation@PaminaMozart , I did one of the chair workouts and enjoyed it. Will aim to do 2 this month (keeping my goals very achievable and incremental!).

How is everyone else doing?

@OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo I was thinking about the stat from UPP about there being only a 1/1000 chance of an adult with severe obesity achieving and maintaining a healthy body weight without specialist help. I personally am not letting this worry me because in the past every time I have lost weight and then regained (always more than I lost), I regained it because of the addictive nature of UPFs. My metabolism may or may not have slowed down but the main issue was that I couldn't stop eating extremely calorie dense UPFs. I haven't seen any studies that look at the chance of maintaining when you take UPF consumption into account. If someone heavily reduces their UPF intake and also aims for the overweight category instead, which may be more realistic, the stats would probably look a lot better. BMI is also a really flawed concept, so I don't think we should get too hung up on it.

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 29/11/2023 22:35

Well done for the 6lbs!

I weighed today (i weigh 2 weekly) and over the last 2 weeks I only lost 1.5 lbs, so the honeymoon period is over 😔. I was hoping post mirtazapine that the 5 stone I put on on that drug would fall off.

Yes good point about the upfs. I'm hoping that some of the long term effects of obesity/hormones grhelin or whatever it is that tries to fight weight loss might be mitigated with low upf.

I'm not generally panicking about eating and able to wait til next meal. I do think it makes so much difference. I think I'm eating less.

I did have a pudding today I didn't need though as my husband said he was making one .🙄. Its not often though so hoping it's okay.

I'm really enjoying dojng rebelfit exercises. Usually 10-20mins a day and sometimes yoga sometimes weights and I am feeling a little less sedentary.

I do scare myself with how far there is to go though. When I went on drugs I was already nearly 18stone. I'm a few months into "weightloss" and still nearly 22 stone. It still feels quite overwhelmingly impossible!!

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OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 29/11/2023 22:35

Buy yes I'm also aiming for "overweight". Just er...9 stone to go 😬😬😬. I'm so scared ill need surgery.

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MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 30/11/2023 00:38

All the 'only 1.5 lbs' really add up though if you just keep going. Some weeks I lose nothing even though I stay on plan and then a couple of weeks down the line I suddenly lose 4lbs. It's not linear and you have to see it as a long term journey.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 30/11/2023 00:39

And well done you ,sorry I missed that off my post👏👏👏👏

OneMoreStepAlongTheRoadIGo · 30/11/2023 05:52

Yes good point. I do know its not linear really - I think I had some unreasonable expectations!

Overall I'm in such a different place to when I started this thread. So grateful to everyone. It just is going to take years isn't it? I think I was hoping my initial burst might be abit more dramatic (as in the weight gained from the drug would fall off and then I'd work hard on the rest!) I can see thats silly!

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