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Cas112 · 13/09/2023 22:09

All though what the shop keeper did was wrong (the grabbing by the throat) I really don't think it's a racial matter like some are making our

Lndnmummy · 13/09/2023 22:19

Reading this thread is utterly depressing. In a stark contrast, it is heartwarming to see so much support for this woman in our local community. I was outside on the way home from the gym a little while ago and people are still there showing support.

I would urge everyone to read @DeeCeeCherry post on buying from blacked own businesses. I know black mumsnetters will be very aware of where to go but if there are any other white mothers of black/mixed race children please do your research. I get my children's haircare from Aaron Wallace if ordering online (also in sainsburys, boots and superdrug) or at the local saturday market in Lewisham, Crystal Palace, East Dulwich.

Lndnmummy · 13/09/2023 22:20

Cas112 · 13/09/2023 22:09

All though what the shop keeper did was wrong (the grabbing by the throat) I really don't think it's a racial matter like some are making our

No? Do you see many white women being choked for nicking hair spray?

SouthernFashionista · 13/09/2023 22:22

Grim behaviour on both sides. The woman seems like a fairly choice character.

Barbiesback · 13/09/2023 22:22

@misssunshine4040 so the lady beat the man up and then the man strangled her after? Really.

🤣🤣🤣

SouthernFashionista · 13/09/2023 22:37

Lndnmummy · 13/09/2023 22:19

Reading this thread is utterly depressing. In a stark contrast, it is heartwarming to see so much support for this woman in our local community. I was outside on the way home from the gym a little while ago and people are still there showing support.

I would urge everyone to read @DeeCeeCherry post on buying from blacked own businesses. I know black mumsnetters will be very aware of where to go but if there are any other white mothers of black/mixed race children please do your research. I get my children's haircare from Aaron Wallace if ordering online (also in sainsburys, boots and superdrug) or at the local saturday market in Lewisham, Crystal Palace, East Dulwich.

Support for a shoplifter? That is pretty shocking.

misssunshine4040 · 13/09/2023 22:38

@Barbiesback didn't watch the video yet then .....

@Lndnmummy how do you this wouldn't happen if a white women knicked it?
It was more than hairspray also!
We are not talking about Boots or Superdrug with a security guard are?
A small business.
I don't get how anyone who has watched the FULL video can condone her violence towards him.

AmIAutumnalNow · 13/09/2023 22:44

@Lndnmummy You appear to be struggling a wee bit with understanding my post

How in the name of god is choking evidence of RACISM?

That's why I mentioned audio. Did anyone hear evidence of RACISM?

Choking isn't it, sorry to burst your bubble

PiIlock · 13/09/2023 22:55

Lndnmummy · 13/09/2023 22:19

Reading this thread is utterly depressing. In a stark contrast, it is heartwarming to see so much support for this woman in our local community. I was outside on the way home from the gym a little while ago and people are still there showing support.

I would urge everyone to read @DeeCeeCherry post on buying from blacked own businesses. I know black mumsnetters will be very aware of where to go but if there are any other white mothers of black/mixed race children please do your research. I get my children's haircare from Aaron Wallace if ordering online (also in sainsburys, boots and superdrug) or at the local saturday market in Lewisham, Crystal Palace, East Dulwich.

I'm going to be honest, I don't really get the support for her. I can empathise with her being restrained and wanting some guy to get the hell off but it's really a private matter for the police.

Half of the aunties out here need to check where their sons are after school 🫥

PiIlock · 13/09/2023 22:56

SouthernFashionista · 13/09/2023 22:22

Grim behaviour on both sides. The woman seems like a fairly choice character.

Tbh.

misssunshine4040 · 13/09/2023 23:00

Its obviously indicative of a wider problem and not the actual incident itself.
People are desperate to say it's a race issue when it's not.
Saying it wouldn't happen to a white woman is not enough as that is not fact.

Do we just riot and protest over assumptions? Send out a message that a criminal shoplifting will be supported and excuses if they happened to get caught by the wrong person?
In the name of what? Where is the racism?

FirstYouGetTheMoney · 13/09/2023 23:04

Lndnmummy · 13/09/2023 22:19

Reading this thread is utterly depressing. In a stark contrast, it is heartwarming to see so much support for this woman in our local community. I was outside on the way home from the gym a little while ago and people are still there showing support.

I would urge everyone to read @DeeCeeCherry post on buying from blacked own businesses. I know black mumsnetters will be very aware of where to go but if there are any other white mothers of black/mixed race children please do your research. I get my children's haircare from Aaron Wallace if ordering online (also in sainsburys, boots and superdrug) or at the local saturday market in Lewisham, Crystal Palace, East Dulwich.

It’s not surprising that her community support her, but it’s utterly damning.

She’s a violent criminal, but so many will support her because of nothing other than her albedo.

She and others like her have no place in decent society

FirstYouGetTheMoney · 13/09/2023 23:07

PiIlock · 13/09/2023 22:55

I'm going to be honest, I don't really get the support for her. I can empathise with her being restrained and wanting some guy to get the hell off but it's really a private matter for the police.

Half of the aunties out here need to check where their sons are after school 🫥

That and the abhorrent idea that we should base our shopping on the race of the business owner.

Tribalism like that has no place in the UK.

parameciumparty · 13/09/2023 23:16

Lndnmummy · 13/09/2023 22:20

No? Do you see many white women being choked for nicking hair spray?

She wasn't choked for nicking hairspray though. She was physically attacking him and he lost his temper.

misssunshine4040 · 13/09/2023 23:19

No one wants to acknowledge the first part of the video where she was repeatedly hitting him about the face and head then hitting him on the body with an object.
It's not convenient to show that part as it ruins the narrative.
Protesters want to believe it was racism and that they won't shop in his shop anymore.

parameciumparty · 13/09/2023 23:22

And the people supporting her are supporting a violent criminal. That's not a good message. I wouldn't support my own kids if they behaved like that, I'd be disgusted and ashamed.

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Lampzade · 13/09/2023 23:28

TheGhostofLoganRoy · 13/09/2023 22:00

Not on Mumsnet it wouldn't be. On other forums, yes. Not here. The word Karen is considered on a par with the N word here.

If a non-white man had throttled a white woman all hell would have opened.

The response has clearly involved racism. I've seen comments on MN saying outright that she was asking to be strangled, that she deserved it. I don't believe for one second that anyone would be making comments like that if it was a white woman being throttled.

And we can't ignore that MN has a history of being horrendous when it comes to threads about race and racism and has a historic serious problem with racism and not taking racism seriously. The thread about the black woman harassed over bus payment when she had paid was full of goady awful racist comments, every single thread about black people being killed by police or murdered is always full of comments implying they deserved it and goady comments in general. I've seen posters post racial slurs and even the N word and no one else reported it.

There's just too much racism on MN to ever be able to debate any issue involving racism in good faith.

You are correct
i usually try to avoid threads on race because I am often disappointed, shocked and horrified by the racism on MN
i am not going to sugarcoat it and call it anything else but racism.
At times like this ( as a white woman) I understand what is meant by ‘white privilege’
Some of these posts are horrible. Sad

Lampzade · 13/09/2023 23:31

Btw some of you should probably acquaint yourself with the concept of reasonable and proportionate force.

DeeCeeCherry · 13/09/2023 23:32

Thank you LndnMummy

"Context" is what abusers and their supporters and enablers attempt to use as justification. I wouldn't dialogue with anybody of that ilk so I'm not reading through much of this thread.

Not even police officers are allowed to use a choke hold. SIA registered staff go through training. The law allows for reasonable force, ie restraint, not a choke hold that can easily go wrong. This man was twice her size and his life was never in danger.

She works in a hairdresser off Rye Lane and spends money in that shop regularly. If ever there was a defining moment to show Black Women how deeply much of society hates them and wants to keep them down, unto the point of people with no skin in the game frothing because we are no longer going to be funding the lavish lifestyles of those who hate us yet want and need our money, then this is it.

Racists, the total lie of the shoplifting story, and ITV News bringing on an Asian woman with an anti-Black stance (presumably then, there's justification for Asian men using brute force so hey, why not any man then?) is just spurring people on to cut off the income of those who disrespect us.

Yes it is heartening to see the community support. This thread doesn't matter. Here in South London does, and people aren't standing for violence against a woman. A colleague was speaking about it today, he (White male) was also at the protest; he was showing me TikTok re this incident - 1000s of Black Women + supporters of Black Women sharing details of Black owned hair shops, Black online suppliers, in London and beyond. I saw some places I didn't even know about. Onwards.

user1477391263 · 13/09/2023 23:32

They both behaved extremely badly. Vigilante-style grabbing of someone round the throat is not acceptable. However, I really can’t imagine looking at this woman and deciding to go and protest on her behalf; she’s a shoplifter and a piece of work.

Nemesias · 13/09/2023 23:33

misssunshine4040 · 13/09/2023 23:19

No one wants to acknowledge the first part of the video where she was repeatedly hitting him about the face and head then hitting him on the body with an object.
It's not convenient to show that part as it ruins the narrative.
Protesters want to believe it was racism and that they won't shop in his shop anymore.

Or the third part where she continues to violently physically attack him, following him down the shop while he moves away from her and other people attempt to intervene to stop her. Of course it’s right that she was arrested for assault.

user1477391263 · 13/09/2023 23:35

Half of the aunties out here need to check where their sons are after school

Yeah, this.

Lampzade · 13/09/2023 23:36

DeeCeeCherry · 13/09/2023 23:32

Thank you LndnMummy

"Context" is what abusers and their supporters and enablers attempt to use as justification. I wouldn't dialogue with anybody of that ilk so I'm not reading through much of this thread.

Not even police officers are allowed to use a choke hold. SIA registered staff go through training. The law allows for reasonable force, ie restraint, not a choke hold that can easily go wrong. This man was twice her size and his life was never in danger.

She works in a hairdresser off Rye Lane and spends money in that shop regularly. If ever there was a defining moment to show Black Women how deeply much of society hates them and wants to keep them down, unto the point of people with no skin in the game frothing because we are no longer going to be funding the lavish lifestyles of those who hate us yet want and need our money, then this is it.

Racists, the total lie of the shoplifting story, and ITV News bringing on an Asian woman with an anti-Black stance (presumably then, there's justification for Asian men using brute force so hey, why not any man then?) is just spurring people on to cut off the income of those who disrespect us.

Yes it is heartening to see the community support. This thread doesn't matter. Here in South London does, and people aren't standing for violence against a woman. A colleague was speaking about it today, he (White male) was also at the protest; he was showing me TikTok re this incident - 1000s of Black Women + supporters of Black Women sharing details of Black owned hair shops, Black online suppliers, in London and beyond. I saw some places I didn't even know about. Onwards.

This

parameciumparty · 13/09/2023 23:36

Lampzade · 13/09/2023 23:31

Btw some of you should probably acquaint yourself with the concept of reasonable and proportionate force.

Nobody's saying that he used reasonable and proportionate force. He lost his temper and shouldn't have done what he did. He's not a police officer or a soldier though who are trained. If you're going to thump fellow members of the public, you might expect them to respond accordingly.

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