Peckham shop incident

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What the f have I just watched? A female requesting a refund, then being assaulted? Strangled? Nothing can justify this treatment, even theft (if it’s eventually established that she did take something)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/12/police-investigate-incident-black-shopper-apparently-grabbed-by-throat?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Your point is selective wrongdoing at best. Crime should not go unaccountable.As I said, it all depends if she stole the goods. If she did, then prosecute her for theft. If she did not, then prosecute the shopkeeper for assult.

@Hestia2023

It was in Peckham.

But anyway, yes, I do go to Brixton, and although it’s getting better it’s still too full of awful people.

I hope it keeps going in the right direction. And of course people will be able to afford to have shops. When the families who’ve never worked are replaced with professional families you can have lovely ones.

Right. Last time I checked a black man called George Floyd was also accused of shoplifting. Having had a police officers knee on his neck for 9 minutes, he died.

Shoplifting does not warrant a man choking a woman. Choking someone is assault. Attempted manslaughter Hopefully we can agree on that.

So you are saying that if she was shoplifting, he did not assault her?!

@Barbiesback the post you have quoted was made AFTER mine. I couldn’t predict that was going to be posted, I can’t see into the future!

FWIW I don’t agree with that post you have quoted, and I still say that the majority of people on here are not condoning his hands around her neck.

I have heard it all now!!! Choking not evidence for you? You need audio too?!

@FirstYouGetTheMoney the shops keepers actions didn't warrant what he did. Can you understand that? He took it too far. All over hair products I'm not conding theft however it is extreme to strangle someone. Don't you think its funny how usually MN scream abusive for a child getting a smack and today because the woman stole its OK to strangle..... ironic isn't it!

For crying out loud. THE EVIDENCE IS ON CAMERA!!!!

@Hestia2023 the previous quote implied that the shop keeper should only be arrested and charged of the woman did not steal. From the time you can't or WON'T take that from the other poster it's not surprising you've not noticed.

Nobody is forcing you to agree I gave my opinion and you gave yours...

Yes I completely agree that shoplifting does not warrant a man choking a woman. I have never ever said that and I think you are misrepresenting my posts.

I was responding to an earlier post that said ‘posters are saying she was shoplifting because she was black’. I was pointing out that posters are saying she was shoplifting because that is what a number of media outlets have reported, rightly or wrongly. I think people are allowed to discuss the facts, as much as we have them.

His response to the incident was wrong and I have never said it wasn’t.

Really? You think a man should just stand there and be hit and punched because his attacker is a woman. Not talking about this case but in general.

No, it would be ' angry, deranged karen' if she was belting him like that.

SHE was arrested for assault while he... isn't? Do better, Met Police.

@Lndnmummy hate speech???

It has absolutely nothing to do with race! Nothing at all! She was stealing he apprehended her, she began beating him!
He ended up retaliating
Did you watch the whole video?
He never should have placed his hands round her neck but she never ever should had assaulted and stole from him.

@misssunshine4040 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zLdGUjtQ0uw

Are you on the same thread as us?? You can see he is assaulting the woman clear as day.

@Barbiesback have you seen the big part of the video BEFORE that snippet that led up to this incident??
The bit where she tries to leave with the stolen hair and then he stands in way to stop her, the she smacks him about the face and head several times and he doesn't react?

I'm not defending and she should never have placed his hands round her neck.

Context is vital though. She attacked him and tried to steal. She is not an innocent victim, he is not a massive chain that could absorb theft easily.

It's got absolutely nothing to with race.

It's available on instagram etc but as per the press has shown the final part to create this response.

@misssunshine4040 do you disapline your kids like this when they do any sort of wrong doing? Usually MN deem it as abuse.

Whichever way this whole incident goes, it’s not going to be good for anyone.

If she gets charged with assault and/or theft, then shopkeepers are going to think it’s ok to defend their property however they like and take the law into their own hands.

But If he gets charged with assault, then people are going to think it’s fine to shoplift because nobody can stop them.

Unfortunately in many similar cases, it has been female shop workers who have been assaulted by shoplifters and usually end up in hospital. The reason this incident was different is that the shop worker was a large powerful man and the shoplifter a small women. So she was not able to hurt him.

If it had been the other way around this would have ended very differently. Which is why I am trying to see the bigger picture because in the long run if it’s found out that she did shoplift, and she is held up as the victim, I am note sure this is going to be such a positive outcome for all those women who work in shops, often late at night.

Not on Mumsnet it wouldn't be. On other forums, yes. Not here. The word Karen is considered on a par with the N word here.

If a non-white man had throttled a white woman all hell would have opened.

The response has clearly involved racism. I've seen comments on MN saying outright that she was asking to be strangled, that she deserved it. I don't believe for one second that anyone would be making comments like that if it was a white woman being throttled.

And we can't ignore that MN has a history of being horrendous when it comes to threads about race and racism and has a historic serious problem with racism and not taking racism seriously. The thread about the black woman harassed over bus payment when she had paid was full of goady awful racist comments, every single thread about black people being killed by police or murdered is always full of comments implying they deserved it and goady comments in general. I've seen posters post racial slurs and even the N word and no one else reported it.

There's just too much racism on MN to ever be able to debate any issue involving racism in good faith.

@misssunshine4040 it's a real example kids would do something silly like this. Would you assault your kids like this? There's no man a woman could manage to fight that man so you can take your swinging baskets

There's never any acceptable reason for a man to throttle a woman, unless it's in self-defence. He could very easily have killed her.

Unless you think the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for shoplifting?

It IS a racial issue, because if a non-white man throttled a white woman for shoplifting not a single person would be saying she deserved to be strangled, she was asking for it, etc.

@Barbiesback no it's not comparable in any way at all.
Kids are not adults and we do not hold their behaviour to the same standards.

Stealing from a small business is "silly" ?

Watch the full video. Watch her beat him up in front of the whole shop.

@TheGhostofLoganRoy what makes you so sure of this?

I think he behaved disproportionately but he is human and if you watch the whole video you will see she is no saint.

I would feel the same no matter the race of either thief or shopkeeper.
Stop acting as if people are just to look for an excuse to be racist. Some are, most aren't.