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Barbiesback · 13/09/2023 19:50

@RocketIceLollie left is a potential part of having a business. It is not normal to go around strangling theifs. Imagine if we all behaved like at work!

Lampzade · 13/09/2023 19:57

IClaudine · 13/09/2023 08:19

Just because someone attacks someone of a different race doesn’t automatically make it racist

Honestly, I don't think he would have done that to a white woman.

I am white and I honestly don’t think that he would have treated me the way he treated this lady

Btw, I honestly can’t believe some of the ignorance on this thread. Some members of the Asian community are anti black. I have been in situations where Asians have said derogatory things about black people.

His actions were excessive and he should be investigated

RocketIceLollie · 13/09/2023 19:58

Barbiesback · 13/09/2023 19:50

@RocketIceLollie left is a potential part of having a business. It is not normal to go around strangling theifs. Imagine if we all behaved like at work!

Your point is selective wrongdoing at best. Crime should not go unaccountable.

As I said, it all depends if she stole the goods. If she did, then prosecute her for theft. If she did not, then prosecute the shopkeeper for assult.

Lampzade · 13/09/2023 20:05

FirstYouGetTheMoney · 13/09/2023 17:48

Communities like this will just find that no-one wants to have a shop there, as is happening in Brixton.

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Have you actually been to Brixton lately?
The area has become gentrified and is full of cates, bars etc.
it is not a case of not wanting to have a shop there, it is a case of not being able to afford to own a shop there

Hermittrismegistus · 13/09/2023 20:05

If she did, then prosecute her for theft. If she did not, then prosecute the shopkeeper for assult

Even if she did attempt to steal the shopkeeper should still be prosecuted for assault.
Strangling someone is an often deadly act. It's not a proportionate response in any situation.

PiIlock · 13/09/2023 20:08

Some members of the Asian community are anti black.

The sentiment very much goes both ways for those of us who've lived in areas comparable to Peckham. It's not simply a case of Asian people disrespecting black people. Broadly, both groups have some hostility and look down on each other.

PiIlock · 13/09/2023 20:08

Both of them need to face charges, not either/or.

Hestia2023 · 13/09/2023 20:08

I guess this is why Primark staff are now being given body cams, so that they have evidence of this kind of situation, due to the rise in shoplifting and lack of police response.

Museya15 · 13/09/2023 20:12

C8H10N4O2 · 13/09/2023 19:29

If that video featured blonde, middle class Vanessa from Putney then the thread would be all about the giant bullying brown man assaulting the poor woman trying to make a return. Comments would be claiming "cultural differences" which make brown men treat women in violent ways and I'd give it six posts before someone dropped in references to Rotherham.

But of course its about "angry black woman"

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Yes, you did it, you brought whitey to the table!😂 love it!

Lampzade · 13/09/2023 20:13

PiIlock · 13/09/2023 20:08

Some members of the Asian community are anti black.

The sentiment very much goes both ways for those of us who've lived in areas comparable to Peckham. It's not simply a case of Asian people disrespecting black people. Broadly, both groups have some hostility and look down on each other.

I am not saying the sentiment doesn’t go both ways. I am just shocked that some posters think that because the man is of Asian origin that he isn’t anti black / racist

Barbiesback · 13/09/2023 20:13

@RocketIceLollie my point isn't selective I have merely pointed out to you that strangling is not how you deal with things in a business nor a profession. Even if the woman stole from the shop its simply unacceptable of the shop keeper

I'm surprised at this whole thread MN is usually anti smacking now we are condoning quite extreme violence and its because a woman apparently stole hair products!

Barbiesback · 13/09/2023 20:15

@Lampzade I'm not shocked one bit.

Hestia2023 · 13/09/2023 20:18

@Barbiesback Nobody on this thread has condoned him putting his hands around her neck. You are being deliberately obtuse.
People are discussing how the whole situation came about.

misssunshine4040 · 13/09/2023 20:23

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SerpentEndBench · 13/09/2023 20:26

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You don't mean this, now do you, come on. You don't mean that a woman deserved to be strangled, do you.

Emdubz · 13/09/2023 20:28

PerfectPenquins · 13/09/2023 13:36

She was being entitled demanding a refund against store policy and seemingly without a receipt.
She decided she would help herself to her own exchange.
Apparently theft is no longer a crime and dosnt matter despite it building up and having an impact on the owners and other customers.

The store is not just for black women, many of the products are Asian made.

Anyone who has specific hair needs, hairdressers, people who wear any kind of wig/hair piece will likely use that store

No evidence of racism yet if she was a white woman the headlines would be entitled karen gets put in her place by shop keeper and she would be mocked for days.

Maybe he had enough of her attitude, her violence and her theft?

Don't get nasty when refused a refund against store policy, don't then help yourself to their products and expect to walk out, dosnt matter who you are.

Why do some women think they can do whatever to a man but he can not strike back?

This all day long.

Lndnmummy · 13/09/2023 20:32

IClaudine · 13/09/2023 08:11

Yep. Hands around her neck at about 12:59:46, she goes for him at around 13:00:56. The sequence is clear.

Do people not think that those protesting against the shop had the intelligence to check what happened? Why are people saying the woman was shoplifting when not even the shopkeeper has said this?

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People are saying that because she is black. It is that simple. It is that heart breaking. It is ingrained in the British mind that the black woman is the aggressor, that she can't be a victim.

Only racists would look at that video and somehow find fault with the victim. No one person can compress the neck of another human being. That is attempted murder. It killed George Floyd.

If this woman had been called, let's say Karen. Or Sharon. Or Lauren. And had walked in with her Laura Ashley dress and pearl earrings, with her sustainable tote bag and beetroot juice SHE would not have had that mans hands around her neck. And if she did, be damn sure the met police would most certainly not arrest HER.

Lndnmummy · 13/09/2023 20:38

Emdubz · 13/09/2023 20:28

This all day long.

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Do you think that Karen would have had the man's hands around her neck?

MNHQ. I am NOT calling anyone a Karen. I am NOT being a misogynist - or defending misogyny. I think misogyny is terrible. I am responding to a poster who refers to a hypothetical scenario and referring to Karen. I am responding. That is all

PiIlock · 13/09/2023 20:40

Only racists would look at that video and somehow find fault with the victim. No one person can compress the neck of another human being.

Nah. She's responsible for her behaviour. She is still a victim of him, strangling is not self defence and he clearly just wanted to crush her in anger. Doesn't mean she doesn't have 'fault' for her own actions.

To compress her neck is wrong. Her behaviour is also not great. Shopkeeper did say she walked out after he refused a refund, that's what started the whole thing. Also known as stealing.

namechanging1212 · 13/09/2023 20:42

I don't agree with the man handling the situation with hands around her neck however a kick on the backside would have been sufficient back into the store, the woman is absolutely vile. The entitlement holly mother. My business often gets shoplifted (central London) and police do fuck all. We can't afford security, we are just a small business that has been fucked around by this gov and tax free where tourism no longer fucking exists that used to keep us afloat and to be constantly shoplifted is absolutely demoralising to any business especially small businesses. A lot of business owners are taking matters in their own hands and weighing the risks. The amount of videos circulating especially from London where off licences, vape shops are constantly raided by groups of people it is absolutely the pitts.

Barbiesback · 13/09/2023 20:43

@Hestia2023 the other poster did condone violence I'm struggling to quote the post with the new setting.

I will copy and paste it for you so before you get on your high horse read correctly. Not sure who you are referring to as nobody.

She slapped him at hit him several times and tried to steal arm full or hair extensions.
She deserved everything she got.
Vile woman.

FirstYouGetTheMoney · 13/09/2023 20:43

Barbiesback · 13/09/2023 19:50

@RocketIceLollie left is a potential part of having a business. It is not normal to go around strangling theifs. Imagine if we all behaved like at work!

That’s like saying being assaulted is part of going out for a drink.

This community may feel that it’s OK, but it really isn’t.

Hestia2023 · 13/09/2023 20:44

@Lndnmummy people are saying that the woman was shoplifting because that is what many media outlets have reported.

Lndnmummy · 13/09/2023 20:44

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This post would fall under your description of hate speech (unless it does not apply to white posters).