Government to *finally* look at banning XL bullies

[NoCharnce]

Thank goodness. I cannot believe it has taken so long* to even look at banning these awful creatures (I say that as a dog lover). Looks like the viral footage of an XL mauling two men who were trying to defend an 11 year old girl is the straw that broke the camels back.

Tweet direct from Home Sec: https://x.com/suellabraverman/status/1700924751646982312?s=46&t=QlNZXgFJWDXuxa3K3yo7ag

*policy makers have been captured by the RSPCA/Dog’s Trust etc “it’s not the breed, it’s the owner” dogma

i am terrified of them - please muzzle these dogs until they are banned!

@Missingmyusername Did you mean to be a twat?

The only twats (to put it mildly) are the one's who own disgusting, aggressive dog breeds. Might as well put a flashing "twat" sign on the forehead.

Did I mean to be pissed off with the twats and their dogs? Oh yes, I can't believe we live in a society where it's illegal to carry, say, pepper-spray but dimwits are allowed to walk around with killer dog breeds.
The society has gone to shit.

I reported an American pit-bull and the owner to the police last month. No surprise that the owner of the banned out of control breed was a fine example of the grey-trackie brigade. Just vile. Both of them.

For me, they become a banned breed. The ones that exist have to be muzzled in public. All owners to register their dogs on a national database. Actually enforced and punishable with a meaningful fine.

Of course, none of this will actually happen, partly as there isn't the police resource. But we should stop with the it's just the owners narrative as they're lethal in a way most other dogs aren't.

Well someone was killed near me (Bravermans constituency) by one and she did nothing then.

It was brought from travellers for £650 and the person was walking it for a friend.

Knowing her she'll try and ship them all out to Rwanda next week on a plane for headlines. Because she never does anything that actually has purpose.

But they should be banned. They should have enforced the dangerous dogs act for a start to prevent the problem occurring in the first place. Not decide after over 30 deaths to create empty headline promises.

@EasternStandard I haven’t seen the video. I’m sure it is shocking and bloody awful. My issue isn’t whether a dog did a dreadful thing. It’s that we have banned certain breeds before. That hasn’t worked. The people who own these dogs simply move onto another breed, then another…
The knee jerk reaction to ban all dogs of a certain breed doesn’t work. The people who want all dogs on lead, muzzled or banned are just being hysterical.

In 2022 4 children were killed by dogs.
In 2021 24 children were killed by one or both of their parents
In 2020 386 children were killed in car accidents

(figs from ONS data)

Not sure why the response is so hysterical. Surely we should enforce the tools that exist already instead of creating a whole new bureaucracy. If you report a dog as dangerous, we've already see that the police are perfectly prepared to shoot it first and ask questions later.

That statistic is pointless. Every child has a parent. Not every child is exposed to a XL bully. It's the proportion you have to look at, not the basic number.

If you report a dog as dangerous, we've already see that the police are perfectly prepared to shoot it first and ask questions later.

The dog is also happy to attack first to kill or maim and no chance to change outcome later

Watching that video which breed would concern you if you saw it running at you or your dc (if you have them) in the same way?

I hate the ‘it’s the owners, not the dogs’ excuse. Dogs do bite. Lots of people have been bitten or attacked by dogs. Both my brother and I were bitten as children (not by our own dog). Most runners will have been chased by dogs and many get attacked and bitten. There are frequently threads on here about dogs biting children. If you look at the nhs statistics lots of people have to be treated for dog bites every year. Basically, no one can guarantee their dog won’t bite. That is why aggressive dogs that can cause a lot of damage are a problem.

Oh, and I encourage everyone else to report. It seemed to be taken seriously enough and a case was opened, a statement taken and there's crime with a crime number logged.
We have to put some pressure on for the authorities to act finally.

Yes it’s shocking.

I think anyone would be terrified if one did the same to them or their dc, in a way that people wouldn’t be with other breeds.

That’s 4 sets of parents who might understand the hysteria.

edit: went rogue with my numbers!!

Ha ha. You do that calculation then. Except you can't so basically carry on with the hysteria.

Edit - wrong post! Sorry

@Primrosesanddaisies it's not complicated. Those dogs are statistically more dangerous than parents because the percentage of parents that kill their kids is smaller than the percentage of XL bullies who kill kids. I'm not hysterical, I'm just not thick.

I have a peanut allergy. 1 in 50 children have a peanut allergy. These killer nuts MUST BE BANNED.

They are owned by fools. This is the only thing I've ever agreed with Suella Braverman.

Ban these dogs and a minimum sentence for morons who both breed them or sell them for prison. If you dealt in guns you would be looking at prison. These dogs are effectively weapons and the people that trade in them are low lifes with no concern about public safety.

Surely anything that can be done to protect children from danger is a good thing?

You don't want more to be done to protect children from these dogs because more children die in car crashes than are hurt by XL bullies?

How many cars are there in this country vs how many XL Bully dogs? Your argument doesn't make sense

@Primrosesanddaisies

Ignoring for a second that peanuts don't viciously attack you in the street, that a lot of people have the ability to avoid them and many can be equipped with tools to fight against even severe reactions:

Peanuts are banned in schools (!) and in lots of other places.... to avoid people suffering.

The other problem is that it's only when a person is maimed or killed that the owner is (maybe) punished and the dog is (maybe) euthanised.

What about all the other horrific attacks on poor defenceless dogs who are seriously injured or killed, leaving the poor owners utterly traumatised. Why the fuck doesn't the law protect them?

God knows how many hundreds/thousands of poor dogs have been attacked by these things.

The "it's not the breed" people are as bad as the "guns don't kill people" morons.

Yep.

Well I got that wrong😄l was expecting a post about bullies ie people who are mean and threatening to others. I wasn't sure if the XL meant they were maybe older kids or if it meant they bullied fat people!

Move onto what though? A big cat? A snake? A rather large rat?

No other animal that is kept as a pet can cause the damage dogs do. Unless people are going to start walking 2 ton bulls down the street for their exercise.

Well aren’t you an oddball. I assume no one attacks you with peanuts when you walk down the street, and if they did you’d expect something to be done?

Modern society is pretty good at designing rules (laws or otherwise) which minimise danger, fatal or otherwise. And this is exactly what society has done with all your examples. Products containing peanuts are legally labelled. Schools ban peanuts. Theres an entire rulebook for driving and laws around driving dangerously. There are policies and procedures in place which seek to eradicate children being harmed by their parents, and there are multiple laws around killing people.

It doesn’t take a statistician to see that XL bully dogs are an outlier when looking at deaths by breed. They are statistically more dangerous than other dog breeds. And that’s just talking about fatalities. So it’s only logical and reasonable that a conversation is being had around whether society is doing enough to minimise this danger. It’s not hysteria at all.

If they are banned I shan't miss them but I also expect the 'breeders' with their illegal backyard genetic labs to start work on another breed. Selecting for muscle and aggression and size until a Rottie (or whatever) has been turned into 50kg of weapon.

What's that take? Five generations? So about five years. Less if you use xx bully dna as part of the starting mix. Which"ll be fine because the law won't target dna. It'll target leg length etc.