Forced to install heat pumps

[forcedtogetheatpumps]

Yesterday, there was an article in the DM (yes, I know) about a Bill currently going through Parliament which basically says that home owners and LLs are going to be forced to install heat pumps otherwise they'll be fined or imprisoned.

How are people going to afford this?

No one is going to get sent to prison for not installing a heat pump, so you really don't need to worry about it...

It's the DM
Always take their info with a very large pinch of salt.

Not unless they start building more prisons.

And you believed this because...

I dunno what to believe. It's part of this 2050 net zero thing.

Oh my Christ do some research.

I work in this industry (demonise me for clean tech if you wish).

The ban on new boilers comes in effect in 2025. As the old boilers die (mine is 20 years old and going strong) - heat pumps will be used.

Government grants are in place to fund them. As well as payment plans.

No one is going to jail.

You're welcome.

They're going to need a HUGE prison building program then 😄 And they are struggling to staff the gaols they already have.

I suspect what will really happen is that new gas boilers will become unavailable and when existing units wear out, homeowners will have to choose something else - storage heaters, underfloor electric heating, heated wall paper or air/ground source heat pumps.

At least we can keep warm when we're all in prison together.

And that is assuming you have a house with cavity walls that is not old. Heat pumps dont work properly in anything other, and due to the fact that most of our housing stock is older then there are going* to have to be alternatives. I wouldn’t worry.

Government grants will fall considerably short of funding them. And many households, payment plan or otherwise, will not be able to afford the difference. Nor are there anywhere near enough trained installers. Sounds like a great idea...

Bookish, exactly, its not gonna happen for soooo many reasons £££££’s at the moment!

As others have said, we're not all going to jail.

At the moment, the plan is that new builds won't be able to be built with gas boilers starting from 2025.

And even if you end up with a heat pump one day, I promise you, it's hardly a terrible fate. I have one (in my ordinary 1930s home). You turn on a shower and the water is warm, you turn on the heating and the radiators are toasty. A guest wouldn't know the difference.

Blimey they can't even keep tabs on the ones that are in prison.

Love it 😂🤣😂

I've not read that particular article but it's the EPC legislation that worries me more. I live in an old house and have done everything I can afford to do, including install solar panels, but it's still only an EPC C (from F or G - can't quite remember). I do worry that my home will become unmortgageble within the next 10 years or so.

Do not read the DM, they “report” absolute bollocks. 🙄

If nobody is going to prison then why has the new Energy bill got detailed a max 12 month prison sentence?

https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/09/03/uk-homeowners-face-jail-or-15k-fine-in-energy-bill-crackdown/?fbclid=IwAR3HBrCJ8ZTY4SF5a6bqlj6sbTAwY5vm2zP0ytcImi5lAol9O9g8ZD49mro

Haha, we can keep each other company on the MN wing. 🤪🫣😂💃

I wonder how many shares Sunak has in heat pump companies?

All the poor children left behind when the parents are banged up for not buying a heat pump. Maybe they will get some more barges in for this.

I'm a UK landlord living in France. If it comes to it and we can't rent our house out with the agency, we will just leave it empty.

There is no way we'd be able to install a heat pump anyway, it's in a conservation area. We can't even get double glazing installed, it still have the original Victorian hand blown glass in the windows.

It says 'under consideration. That's a LONG way off happening..

And OP the DM is not a credible source. It's akin to reading a comic.

Will we not be able to buy gas boilers after 2025? How will that work - the boiler breaks and then how long does it take to get the house reconfigured for a heat pump? Maybe it's worth changing a 10 year old boiler next year to buy more time?

According to the proposals: “Energy smart regulations may create offences relating to the obstruction of persons acting on behalf of enforcement authorities.” Not quite the same as going to prison for not installing a heat pump.

Can't even get the management company to decorate the hall, we have zero chance of getting a heat pump, even if we wanted one. I wonder how they're supposed to work for the 15 storey flats down the road from me, but I guess the govt assumes everyone lives in houses with large gardens.