Lucy letby - New threads (Part 3)

WhiteFire · 2023-09-01T17:17:11+00:00

The last thread has closed. I have kept the thread title in line with the previous one for continuity. I have just started listening to the Daily Mail podcasts which gives a good overview. [[https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-trial-of-lucy-letby/id1653090985 https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-trial-of-lucy-letby/id1653090985]] I've downloaded an app called Radio net so I can download them and then listen off line. The evidence against her is compelling, the defence is pretty much "it wasn't me"

BathingBeauty · 01/09/2023 18:41

I’m just listening to the podcasts. I didn’t follow the trail at all.
It’s clear someone was doing something to babies and I can understand how difficult it is when you don’t catch someone in the act. But the fact she was there every time and babies were well/recovering when she wasn’t is very damming.
I assume everything stopped the day she went on administrative duties and there wasn’t a single suspension incident from then on?

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 18:43

Reading and I'll try not to be a pickle.

itsgettingweird · 01/09/2023 18:43

Thanks for new thread. I've just caught up on the end of the last one - damn having a job!

lifeturnsonadime · 01/09/2023 18:46

The misogyny at the end of the last thread from the conspiracy theorist was enlightening.

I've finally finished listening to the podcasts, as I said towards the end of the last thread there will be more to come out, but it won't be fresh evidence exonerating the killer it will be evidence of more harmed babies, sadly. That last episode was particularly chilling, it seemed that that baby did have a lucky escape, LL was angry when she was not able to continue caring for him.

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WhiteFire · 01/09/2023 18:47

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 18:43

Reading and I'll try not to be a pickle.

Hawkins in disguise 🥸

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itsgettingweird · 01/09/2023 18:47

That was interesting about the anger.

Obviously we cannot assume it's because he was a potential victim.

But it's an insight into her behaviour when she didn't get her own way.

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 18:48

WhiteFire · 01/09/2023 18:47

Hawkins in disguise 🥸

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Just a bit, plus I can slide out when I do make a pickles. Lol

PollyAmour · 01/09/2023 18:49

I work with people who think she was framed. It's annoying because their reasoning is that she doesn't look like a killer. She was set up by an evil mastermind apparently. The fact she was on shift every single time a baby died is just a coincidence.

ghostbusters · 01/09/2023 18:50

I've binged listened to the whole series since the guilty verdict in absolute horror, but I couldn't stop. As the mother of 2 boys (not twins) about both needed neonatal care, I can't wrap my head asking it.
I listened to episode 58 & 59 today and I need to go back and listen to the baby L episode. Episode 59 is extra chilling... I wonder what will happen next, how many more potential charges will come.

lifeturnsonadime · 01/09/2023 18:51

itsgettingweird · 01/09/2023 18:47

That was interesting about the anger.

Obviously we cannot assume it's because he was a potential victim.

But it's an insight into her behaviour when she didn't get her own way.

I thought the mother was implying she thought he was already a victim for having the breathing tubes removed by LL to take the picture for the mothers day card.

I just think it is so sad that so many will never know and will always have their memories of the early days of their babies lives blighted by the presence of who they now know is a baby killer in their child's care team. It must be really really hard to get your head round.

WhiskersPete · 01/09/2023 19:13

I watched Operation Humming on YouTube today. It was very insightful.

ZadocPDederick · 01/09/2023 19:23

PollyAmour · 01/09/2023 18:49

I work with people who think she was framed. It's annoying because their reasoning is that she doesn't look like a killer. She was set up by an evil mastermind apparently. The fact she was on shift every single time a baby died is just a coincidence.

Who do they think he evil mastermind is?

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 19:59

Based on other people's perspectives are their credible gaps in the case ?

LuluJili · 01/09/2023 20:00

Just let it die. There have already been 2000 posts on the previous Lucy Letby threads in addition to the other thousands of posts on the numerous other threads about her.

There's nothing new to be said. It'll just be repeating things and more arguments.

It's just mawkish, obsessive and a bit creepy to keep it going.

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 20:02

LuluJili · 01/09/2023 20:00

Just let it die. There have already been 2000 posts on the previous Lucy Letby threads in addition to the other thousands of posts on the numerous other threads about her.

There's nothing new to be said. It'll just be repeating things and more arguments.

It's just mawkish, obsessive and a bit creepy to keep it going.

With all due respect, how's the threads any different than the amount of newspapers analysis that's been done, then I'm sure there will be a few books written about the case, then at a guess a TV show and film etc.

LuluJili · 01/09/2023 20:20

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 20:02

With all due respect, how's the threads any different than the amount of newspapers analysis that's been done, then I'm sure there will be a few books written about the case, then at a guess a TV show and film etc.

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Yep, I'm sure there will be.

But is that a good thing?

And also, it hasn't been headline news since a couple of days after the sentencing.

Other than an inquiry into the NHS handling of the situation and whether LL appeals or not, there is literally nothing new to say.

And so, I guarantee that every 'I have doubts because of a, b and c have already been answered in the numerous thousands of posts. No-one is noticing something new. And all the arguments have been had.

Some people won't be convinced no matter how much it's discussed so what's the point? and some people just want to continue to argue the same points and won't ever change their minds but will continue to think there is a point in arguing on MN.

So it's an unhealthy and damaging thing to do for everyone.

And unhealthy and yes, creepy if you want to keep this pointless exercise going where ultimately, all posters (or 99%) have no personal connection to this tragedy but are endlessly theorising about what they think when what they think is completely irrelevant and treating this case like a plot in a true crime episode should be over now.

Of course people should be able to question things, discuss things, ask questions. Our justice system isn't infallible and not everyone thinks already been done. Over dozens of threads and thousands of posts.

Nothing more to be grained. Move on or get called out for being inappropriate and creepy.

Because that's what it is.

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 20:24

LuluJili · 01/09/2023 20:20

Yep, I'm sure there will be.

But is that a good thing?

And also, it hasn't been headline news since a couple of days after the sentencing.

Other than an inquiry into the NHS handling of the situation and whether LL appeals or not, there is literally nothing new to say.

And so, I guarantee that every 'I have doubts because of a, b and c have already been answered in the numerous thousands of posts. No-one is noticing something new. And all the arguments have been had.

Some people won't be convinced no matter how much it's discussed so what's the point? and some people just want to continue to argue the same points and won't ever change their minds but will continue to think there is a point in arguing on MN.

So it's an unhealthy and damaging thing to do for everyone.

And unhealthy and yes, creepy if you want to keep this pointless exercise going where ultimately, all posters (or 99%) have no personal connection to this tragedy but are endlessly theorising about what they think when what they think is completely irrelevant and treating this case like a plot in a true crime episode should be over now.

Of course people should be able to question things, discuss things, ask questions. Our justice system isn't infallible and not everyone thinks already been done. Over dozens of threads and thousands of posts.

Nothing more to be grained. Move on or get called out for being inappropriate and creepy.

Because that's what it is.

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Fair points.
Then the bigger question should there have been a complete media blackout on the whole case ?

Janieforever · 01/09/2023 20:26

LuluJili · 01/09/2023 20:20

Yep, I'm sure there will be.

But is that a good thing?

And also, it hasn't been headline news since a couple of days after the sentencing.

Other than an inquiry into the NHS handling of the situation and whether LL appeals or not, there is literally nothing new to say.

And so, I guarantee that every 'I have doubts because of a, b and c have already been answered in the numerous thousands of posts. No-one is noticing something new. And all the arguments have been had.

Some people won't be convinced no matter how much it's discussed so what's the point? and some people just want to continue to argue the same points and won't ever change their minds but will continue to think there is a point in arguing on MN.

So it's an unhealthy and damaging thing to do for everyone.

And unhealthy and yes, creepy if you want to keep this pointless exercise going where ultimately, all posters (or 99%) have no personal connection to this tragedy but are endlessly theorising about what they think when what they think is completely irrelevant and treating this case like a plot in a true crime episode should be over now.

Of course people should be able to question things, discuss things, ask questions. Our justice system isn't infallible and not everyone thinks already been done. Over dozens of threads and thousands of posts.

Nothing more to be grained. Move on or get called out for being inappropriate and creepy.

Because that's what it is.

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I think if you don’t want to discuss it, you should move on, rather than try to dictate to others they can’t also. There are so many sub forums on here, you don’t need to focus on this so obsessively.

it’s also ok for everyone else to discuss it. You’ve not been authorised to police. Move on.

JanieEyre · 01/09/2023 21:42

I'm hoping this will be the thread when we're told exactly what motivation people imagine doctors would have for a complicated conspiracy that could only bring scandal on them and their hospital.

LuluJili · 01/09/2023 21:49

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 20:24

Fair points.
Then the bigger question should there have been a complete media blackout on the whole case ?

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No. It was a high profile case. Which has been world wide news as it should be.

It's been discussed more extensively than
most cases. In the mainstream media and on wider social media like YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, TikTok and Mumsnet.

This isn't anyone saying 'ooh this is so horrible or raises so many questions that we should brush it under the carpet' and ignore it.

No-one has! It's been worldwide news. Every news channel, tabloid or non-tabloid newspaper have not just reported on the facts of the case but also hosted their 'ex-NHS manager who wasn't involved gives their view, psychologist who has never met her or anyone that has gives their view, serial killer expert that also never met her says this".

And thousands of MN posts of people saying 'well obviously she's guilty" and others saying no she's innocent. And some saying well I've had doubts and saying why and others answering those doubts. And some people saying well an adult woman who goes on holiday with her parents is obviously a weirdo. And her parents must be weirdos because they put a congratulations on passing your nursing course notice in the paper..

And all this other endless, pointless judgmental theorising and armchair pseudo-pstchology about her, her life, her parents etc and theories about the Police investigation was crap, or the prosecution was crap, or the defence was crap. Or the judge was. Or the jury

But what is there new to say?

There's literally nothing new to say that hasn't been discussed infinitum in the press, and on social media. And on Mumsnet.

This is a real case. Real people. Perpetrator and victim's.

When there's nothing new to say, social media users need to take responsibility for themselves and look at the information already available and not want to carry on a ghoulish, creepy conversation that is just giving them a bit of a thrill, erroneously thinking they're just trying to get to the truth or need to talk about it because of x, y or z

You don't.

It's time to stop talking about it and keeping it in the news.

Araminta34 · 01/09/2023 21:50

With all due respect, how's the threads any different than the amount of newspapers analysis that's been done, then I'm sure there will be a few books written about the case, then at a guess a TV show and film etc

There are several books out already.

Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 21:55

Araminta34 · 01/09/2023 21:50

With all due respect, how's the threads any different than the amount of newspapers analysis that's been done, then I'm sure there will be a few books written about the case, then at a guess a TV show and film etc

There are several books out already.

Ah I see, haven't realised

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WhiteFire · 01/09/2023 21:58

He got onto that quickly 🙀

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lucy-Letby-babies-serial-conviction/dp/B0CFZMMQRB

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Hawkins0009 · 01/09/2023 22:08

LuluJili · 01/09/2023 21:49

No. It was a high profile case. Which has been world wide news as it should be.

It's been discussed more extensively than
most cases. In the mainstream media and on wider social media like YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, TikTok and Mumsnet.

This isn't anyone saying 'ooh this is so horrible or raises so many questions that we should brush it under the carpet' and ignore it.

No-one has! It's been worldwide news. Every news channel, tabloid or non-tabloid newspaper have not just reported on the facts of the case but also hosted their 'ex-NHS manager who wasn't involved gives their view, psychologist who has never met her or anyone that has gives their view, serial killer expert that also never met her says this".

And thousands of MN posts of people saying 'well obviously she's guilty" and others saying no she's innocent. And some saying well I've had doubts and saying why and others answering those doubts. And some people saying well an adult woman who goes on holiday with her parents is obviously a weirdo. And her parents must be weirdos because they put a congratulations on passing your nursing course notice in the paper..

And all this other endless, pointless judgmental theorising and armchair pseudo-pstchology about her, her life, her parents etc and theories about the Police investigation was crap, or the prosecution was crap, or the defence was crap. Or the judge was. Or the jury

But what is there new to say?

There's literally nothing new to say that hasn't been discussed infinitum in the press, and on social media. And on Mumsnet.

This is a real case. Real people. Perpetrator and victim's.

When there's nothing new to say, social media users need to take responsibility for themselves and look at the information already available and not want to carry on a ghoulish, creepy conversation that is just giving them a bit of a thrill, erroneously thinking they're just trying to get to the truth or need to talk about it because of x, y or z

You don't.

It's time to stop talking about it and keeping it in the news.

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What do you think should come of everyone discussing the case Vs no one only the professionals discussing the case ?

ZadocPDederick · 01/09/2023 22:14

I've just heard one of the early podcasts reporting that, in his opening speech Ben Myers said that defence experts would disagree with what the prosecution said were the causes of death or alleged harm to the babies.

That sounds as if they intended to call expert evidence but changed their minds. However, we don't know whether it was the defence team who changed their minds, or the experts themselves. I suspect the latter, as there's no obvious reason otherwise why the lawyers would change their minds during the course of the trial. Was it that, on hearing and seeing the evidence in court, something caused them to change their opinion, or to realise that they couldn't realistically justify what was in their reports?