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Lucy letby - New threads (Part 3)

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WhiteFire · 01/09/2023 18:17

The last thread has closed. I have kept the thread title in line with the previous one for continuity.

I have just started listening to the Daily Mail podcasts which gives a good overview.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-trial-of-lucy-letby/id1653090985

I've downloaded an app called Radio net so I can download them and then listen off line.

The evidence against her is compelling, the defence is pretty much "it wasn't me"

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SerafinasGoose · 09/09/2023 19:10

TheLadyInWestminsterAbbey · 09/09/2023 17:22

Been away and on holiday and not listened for a couple of weeks but I've been catching up on some of the podcasts since coming home (something to listen to while processing the laundry 😏) and just listened to episode 60 The Whistleblower. Hopefully the link is to the correct episode.
About half way through, around 17/18 minutes in there is discussion of the circumstances of Tony Chambers and Ian Harvey leaving. It's really gobsmacking and disgraceful.
Apparently Ian Harvey said something along the lines of "he'd be in the South of France and they'd have to find him first" when someone asked what would happen if everything blew up after he'd gone.
And Mail reporters did find him, or at least his wife, who threatened to set the dogs on them!

They really were rats leaving a sinking ship though if they had had any sense they'd have left sooner. And there was a really toxic culture at the hospital, though unfortunately I am sure there are plenty of other hospitals with similar attitudes and behaviours. I think there is a real lack of a sense of public service and a desire to serve not just the patients but also the staff looking after the patients and to foster good relationships in too many hospital managers. They are just out to maximise their earnings and put some big change or another to their CV so they can go onto the next job.

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-trial-of-lucy-letby/id1653090985?i=1000626717751

They disgust me. It's not the first time I've heard of senior executives 'failing upwards' in this way. The sector I work in is also notorious for this. It's as though management are Teflon coated. In certain institutions I've worked in, even those who fail monumentally can walk unscathed into positions elsewhere, not excluding embezzlement or the one who couldn't be trusted to stay away from some of the younger women for whom he had ultimate responsibility. Incompetence and corruption are rewarded, whilst staff with actual real professional credentials and integretity - like the seven consultants in this case - are treated as pariahs and came to management notice as 'trouble makers' who needed to be threatened or managed out.

I've seen this culture at play so many times. It's endemic, rotten, and stretches far further than this particular hospital or even, for that matter, the NHS. The arrogant attitudes these men conveyed on leaving behind the mess they'd created sadly also doesn't surprise me.

It's the podcast with John Gibbs that still haunts me a good couple of weeks after hearing it. Same thing on hearing the interview with Stephen Brearey. Those two men are clearly devastated and to some extent carry this on their consciences, despite the fact that they did their best for the patients and their families and had to be very careful not to make serious accusations until they were absolutely sure.

I feel for all of them. What an entirely different proposition they are from the appalling senior management of that hospital. Poles apart.

itsgettingweird · 10/09/2023 07:55

Idly watching tv on a Sunday morning and old episodes of The Bill are on for anyone that watched it and remembers?

It's the ones with Cathy Bradford. It's really just struck me the similarities between how she talks to people and LL. whenever she's called in to talk to anyone of authority she puts on this real whispery gentle voice.

Even down to the point everything gets turned around to be all about her and her being the victim.

It's illuminating. But I also think there is obviously a known personality trait like this to be able to have created a character with it.

MavisMcMinty · 12/09/2023 14:21

As a retired nurse I found the latest episode of the Mail’s Lucy Letby podcast really interesting, and shared the nurse observers in court’s hopes that Letby would be innocent because of all the terrible damage she would do the nursing profession if found guilty. Also share their amazement and disgust that the nurses in the unit were apparently allowed to have and use their personal mobile phones on duty and at the cot-side.

As one of them says, if you were a nurse whose patient was attacked on your shift, you’d live with that forever.

There are so many victims of Lucy Letby’s crimes.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5dfCnrlkCFskUh7XE4uyGv

Episode 62, The court watchers

Listen to this episode from The Trial of Lucy Letby on Spotify. In this episode Caroline and Liz bring together people from the public gallery who followed this trial for a chat about how this case has affected them.And we’ll share some of last night’s...

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5dfCnrlkCFskUh7XE4uyGv

itsgettingweird · 12/09/2023 16:41

I also found it very interesting.

Especially when they mentioned how different watching her in court was to hearing what she said on the podcast. They also mentioned key moments that made them look her her in a new light (like the lying about knowing what commando meant which we discussed here).

Very interesting to hear those present discuss things we've discussed but also the guy who actually thought she was innocent until he heard the defence cross examine her!

MavisMcMinty · 12/09/2023 17:35

I suppose we imagine how we’d feel if we were wrongly accused of such a terrible crime but with no way of proving our innocence. At one point during the trial (not that I followed it closely, I became much more interested after the verdict and sentencing) I did think “well maybe she’s just the unluckiest nurse in the world”.

Tambatamba · 12/09/2023 19:21

But @MavisMcMinty you'd hope that nobody would be wrongly convicted for something like this. I think it would be highly unusual. I really feel that these days it's much easier for the police to get compelling evidence against people, not least because of mobile phones.

OneSugar1 · 13/09/2023 08:28

It must be awful for the medical fraternity/sorority Mavis. Those she worked with must be traumatised - when he was in the podcast John Gibbs sounded haunted. So many secondary victims. I also questioned if she was the unluckiest nurse in the world, but the insulin poisoning is far beyond that.

itsgettingweird · 13/09/2023 18:56

I think at first a lot of people questioned it.

She was painted a nurse who was there because she did lots of extra shifts.

Always helping everyone so of course always where there were issues.

Lots about how poorly the unit was run and managers etc.

Then she spoke .....

If LL told me it was sunny I'd leave the house with an umbrella.

MajesticWhine · 15/09/2023 16:57

Oh wow, she's filed an appeal

LizzieSiddal · 15/09/2023 17:08

Gosh that was quick.

SerafinasGoose · 15/09/2023 17:53

It's standard. These twisted serial killers will never admit to what they've done, and their last opportunity to wield power once they've disappeared into obscurity behind bars is by holding their knowledge over their victims and manipulating the legal system to make it all about them.

It's surprising how little they vary. What I'll be very surprised by is if sufficient grounds exist for an appeal. The investigative team did their job extensively and thoroughly, and that judge knew his business.

Good luck with overturning fourteen whole life tariffs. It won't happen. Letby is going nowhere - I suspect even she already knows as much.

BIossomtoes · 15/09/2023 17:58

Couldn’t agree more @SerafinasGoose. I doubt she’ll get leave to appeal, it would be an outrageous waste of public money.

MavisMcMinty · 15/09/2023 18:07

Of course she has to appeal if she wants to maintain her innocence. To not appeal would confirm her guilt, and I daresay her parents and friends will have been looking at the “Why Lucy Letby is innocent” web articles for legal angles they feel have merit.

SisterJo · 15/09/2023 18:22

It has to be quick - you get 28 days from date of conviction.

OneSugar1 · 15/09/2023 18:29

She’ll be requesting leave to appeal till the day she dies, like Bamber. I imagine there’s not much else to do that doesn’t seem utterly futile with a whole life order.

TheLadyInWestminsterAbbey · 15/09/2023 18:31

Those poor parents. They have been through so much and with the horror of everything they must have heard over a ten month trial and just when they think she's locked away and they can hope never to hear her name again (in the news, obviously there will be books...& the enquiry to come) but now this.
I'm sure she won't get leave to appeal and as pp said she has to appeal if she wants to maintain her innocence but still it must feel like a massive jolt to the heart for the parents to hear this.

ZadocPDederick · 15/09/2023 19:33

itsgettingweird · 10/09/2023 07:55

Idly watching tv on a Sunday morning and old episodes of The Bill are on for anyone that watched it and remembers?

It's the ones with Cathy Bradford. It's really just struck me the similarities between how she talks to people and LL. whenever she's called in to talk to anyone of authority she puts on this real whispery gentle voice.

Even down to the point everything gets turned around to be all about her and her being the victim.

It's illuminating. But I also think there is obviously a known personality trait like this to be able to have created a character with it.

I haven't heard LL talk in RL. I don't remember hearing any interviews or anything?

itsgettingweird · 15/09/2023 19:53

Good luck with overturning fourteen whole life tariffs.

That was exactly my first thought!

What exactly is she hoping to gain even if she's successful on finding a point on one of the convictions?

Am I also right in thinking she has to appeal on new evidence or a point of law? You can't just disagree with the verdict?

itsgettingweird · 15/09/2023 19:55

I haven't heard LL talk in RL. I don't remember hearing any interviews or anything?

Her police interviews. With her soft almost whispering voice all apathetic. That's what I meant by interviews. Probably should have been clearer!

But it was just so interesting seeing someone acting out the type of personality on a Tv drama decades previously and made me realise what people were saying about a stereotypical personality type iyswim?

Tambatamba · 16/09/2023 07:54

SerafinasGoose · 15/09/2023 17:53

It's standard. These twisted serial killers will never admit to what they've done, and their last opportunity to wield power once they've disappeared into obscurity behind bars is by holding their knowledge over their victims and manipulating the legal system to make it all about them.

It's surprising how little they vary. What I'll be very surprised by is if sufficient grounds exist for an appeal. The investigative team did their job extensively and thoroughly, and that judge knew his business.

Good luck with overturning fourteen whole life tariffs. It won't happen. Letby is going nowhere - I suspect even she already knows as much.

I agree. Ian Brady used to say that he would show where Keith Bennett was buried, probably just so he could get a walk. Then he'd say he couldn't remember when he got out there.

TheLadyIinWestminsterAbbey · 18/09/2023 06:52

More cases being investigated, as we know.
Some were very sick babies and it will be impossible to prove harm was done but they are looking at cases where endotracheal tubes were displaced as well as others.
Dr Dewi Evans said:
"One thing we can be reasonably sure of is that Lucy Letby did not turn up to work one day and decide to inject a baby with air into their bloodstream. I think the modus operandi evolved over time and I think that prior to air embolus tube displacement was probably something that she did.'

Lucy Letby may have murdered THREE more babies

mol.im/a/12529309

TheLadyInWestminsterAbbey · 25/09/2023 18:26

There is to be a RETRIAL over charges relating to one baby of the six that the jury was unable to make a decision on, babyK.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-66910521

FlowerTink · 25/09/2023 18:53

Thank you for the link about the retrial, thinking of the family of BabyK as well as the other families who aren't getting a retrial for their babies.

itsgettingweird · 25/09/2023 19:56

Had anyone got any links as to why just the 1 case of retrial? And why this particular case?

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