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Lucy letby - New threads (Part 3)

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WhiteFire · 01/09/2023 18:17

The last thread has closed. I have kept the thread title in line with the previous one for continuity.

I have just started listening to the Daily Mail podcasts which gives a good overview.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-trial-of-lucy-letby/id1653090985

I've downloaded an app called Radio net so I can download them and then listen off line.

The evidence against her is compelling, the defence is pretty much "it wasn't me"

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 03/09/2023 14:56

finneas · 03/09/2023 14:36

So common sense didn’t prevail that no a high profile serial killer wouldn’t have a laptop and access to the internet from their room to read posts about themselves on Mumsnet? Ok.

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Why be snide? One of the best things about Mumsnet is that it has posters from a huge range of backgrounds, ages, life experiences so obviously what feels like common sense to one person is going to be new information to someone else.
Asking when you don’t know something seems pretty sensible to me.

peasandpetals · 03/09/2023 15:03

Thank you @TheCountessofFitzdotterel

@finneas You sound so nice...

itsgettingweird · 03/09/2023 15:27

So common sense didn’t prevail that no a high profile serial killer wouldn’t have a laptop and access to the internet from their room to read posts about themselves on Mumsnet? Ok.

Did you mean to be so condescending?

She asked. She didn't know. Not everyone thinks the same or has any idea what actually happens inside prisons.

Navigatingsituations · 03/09/2023 15:31

There must have been so serious failings and safeguarding issues at that nicu. When my dc were in nicu (different babies different years and differing units) there was NEVER a time where the trim was empty with just one nurse ??!! The fact she found these opportunities to be alone ??
Even after she was suspected when she went back to work and killed again youd have thought there would be cctv or other staff ‘on alert’ and making sure she WASNT alone or unsupervised???!!

Navigatingsituations · 03/09/2023 15:31

trim - room

itsgettingweird · 03/09/2023 18:00

Omg. Just heard an online report that after her complaint as compensation she was offered to have a job at a great hospital and they would fund her masters Shock

I would love to hear what those consultants think now.

I could be generous and accept they were hoodwinked by her as were lots.

But it's the offering of those things.

Makes you question the personality of her dad who accompanied her. Genetic?

I get that's pure speculation but just think aloud

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WhiteFire · 03/09/2023 18:13

I'm still very early in the podcasts (babies E and F) my heart aches for the doctors who had to repeatedly try and resuscitate the babies that were dying in their arms. The mental turmoil they must have gone through, not only at the time, but since finding out the truth.

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ZadocPDederick · 03/09/2023 18:22

TheLadyInWestminsterAbbey · 03/09/2023 10:46

Does anyone else find it impossible to get to that link? It won't let me past the capcha check.

SisterJo · 03/09/2023 18:24

The daily telegraph is behind a paywall

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WhiteFire · 03/09/2023 18:58

If you open a Telegraph link, immediately swit h to aeroplane mode/ switch off your internet and you can read it.

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TheLadyInWestminsterAbbey · 03/09/2023 19:17

This is the non archive link - not sure why the archive didn't work.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/18/lucy-letby-court-trial-witnesses-granted-anonymity/

TheLadyInWestminsterAbbey · 03/09/2023 19:18

If you search Open justice Letby a few other similar articles from other outlets come up.

Oblomov23 · 03/09/2023 19:39

I've watched 6 FB clips about her in the last few days. I find her fascinating. Narcissist. Also incredibly naive. She never had a boyfriend. She wrote in a diary that looked like she was a 14-year-old. Every murder was very calculated - 13 of them she tried- if she didn't succeed, she went back again and again, that's very telling about her mindset, how she saw herself. I think she's underestimated.

itsgettingweird · 03/09/2023 20:01

I've been listening to a guy who does one called courtroom 2. I've learned some new facts. That's where I learned that paperwork seen from the complaint she put in where she read a letter her parents had written for her resulted in her being offered a move to a better hospital and have a masters or advanced nursing course funded.

I would LOVE to know if Tony chambers regrets his actions now!

itsgettingweird · 03/09/2023 20:02

I'm not convinced by the diary decor.

I'm 43 and certainly NOT a serial killer and I have pretty notebooks etc. I also have a Harry Potter one 🤣

Some people are just stationary people. However what she wrote was certainly beyond the norm!

MrsAnon6 · 03/09/2023 20:31

I just started reading the second thread then noticed this one. This has likely already been discussed at length but RE her normal upbringing, apparently Joanna Dennehey also had an idyllic upbringing with great parents. Sometimes there's no rhyme or reason for why a person is a sociopath.

LizzieSiddal · 03/09/2023 20:49

Listening to the last few episodes,
of the podcast and they are very revealing.
The detective who questioned LL for 20 hours plus a criminal psychologist are interviewed and give a good insight into her personality.
The psychologist seems to think she’s a narcissist, who is so full of her own self importance and intellect that she thought the police would never be able to work out what she’d done, as she felt she’d covered her tracks so well.
The detective talked about how controlled she was throughout, even during her first arrest, despite never had any interaction with the police. Most people break down, shout, slam the table etc when they’re being accused of such horrendous crimes, LL never once broke down or showed any emotion, even when the details of how the babies were killed were read out to her. The detective has questioned many hardened criminals and has never come across anyone like her before.
Thank god she’s been caught at a young age. God knows what would have happened if those Drs hadn’t kept insisting something was done about her.

writingsonthewall · 04/09/2023 13:45

What I was wondering, was if she hadn't done the diary entries at home and taken the hospital papers she shouldn't have, would they have had anything else on her to convict. Sorry if I've missed this, haven't read the other threads.

LizzieSiddal · 04/09/2023 14:30

writingsonthewall · 04/09/2023 13:45

What I was wondering, was if she hadn't done the diary entries at home and taken the hospital papers she shouldn't have, would they have had anything else on her to convict. Sorry if I've missed this, haven't read the other threads.

Yes, they were very small part of the evidence. Listen to episode 42 of the Lucy Letby Podcast.
There is about what the prosecution barrister said in his summing up speech. It goes through every single baby and states what LL said was the cause of the deaths/collapses and contrasts is with what actually happened to these babies. She had tried to blame the 4 consultants who kept reporting her, but this summing up shows what LL said was a pack of lies.

HufflyShuffly · 04/09/2023 15:16

ZadocPDederick · 01/09/2023 22:18

And yet we're still discussing other high profile cases like Hindley and Brady, Ian Huntley, the Wests, Shipman, Sally Clark, Stefan Kiszko, Peter Sutcliffe - in some cases, almost 60 years after the original events.

Face it, this is not going to disappear from the news, particularly with the inquiry to come, to say nothing of potential civil claims and a possible appeal. The fact that you've expended so many paragraphs on it kind of demonstrates all of that, too.

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I'm just wondering who you mean by 'we'. And the active threads on MN about those cases?

Tambatamba · 04/09/2023 15:20

The psychologist seems to think she’s a narcissist, who is so full of her own self importance and intellect that she thought the police would never be able to work out what she’d done, as she felt she’d covered her tracks so well.

Yes, this is apparently why people commit crimes like this - they think they will get away with it because they are deluded and consider themselves to operate at a higher level than the rest of us.

HufflyShuffly · 04/09/2023 15:43

Tambatamba · 04/09/2023 15:20

The psychologist seems to think she’s a narcissist, who is so full of her own self importance and intellect that she thought the police would never be able to work out what she’d done, as she felt she’d covered her tracks so well.

Yes, this is apparently why people commit crimes like this - they think they will get away with it because they are deluded and consider themselves to operate at a higher level than the rest of us.

I have no horse in this race but any psychologist who has never met her and therefore assessed her, is talking out of their arse and benefitting from the recent 'Lucy Letby, we want a psychological opinion on TV/in the news' crap

Janieforever · 04/09/2023 15:46

LizzieSiddal · 03/09/2023 20:49

Listening to the last few episodes,
of the podcast and they are very revealing.
The detective who questioned LL for 20 hours plus a criminal psychologist are interviewed and give a good insight into her personality.
The psychologist seems to think she’s a narcissist, who is so full of her own self importance and intellect that she thought the police would never be able to work out what she’d done, as she felt she’d covered her tracks so well.
The detective talked about how controlled she was throughout, even during her first arrest, despite never had any interaction with the police. Most people break down, shout, slam the table etc when they’re being accused of such horrendous crimes, LL never once broke down or showed any emotion, even when the details of how the babies were killed were read out to her. The detective has questioned many hardened criminals and has never come across anyone like her before.
Thank god she’s been caught at a young age. God knows what would have happened if those Drs hadn’t kept insisting something was done about her.

Yes I wondered if she was a narcisstic sociopath. Two personality disorders at the same time.

https://www.choosingtherapy.com/narcissistic-sociopath/

thr narcissistic side could have been fed by the fact she may have been killing for years and got away with it for a very long time.

HufflyShuffly · 04/09/2023 15:52

Janieforever · 04/09/2023 15:46

Yes I wondered if she was a narcisstic sociopath. Two personality disorders at the same time.

https://www.choosingtherapy.com/narcissistic-sociopath/

thr narcissistic side could have been fed by the fact she may have been killing for years and got away with it for a very long time.

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Are you a professionally qualified psychiatrist or psychologist with significant experience in forensic patients?

toofless · 04/09/2023 16:43

If we consider the possibility (and this is just hypothesis) she ends up being found innocent in the future if new evidence is presented. How then do all these opinions from psychologists and psychiatrists then look? None of them have met her and it is really unprofessional to diagnose someone you have never met. Regardless of innocence or guilt I find the Idea of professionals spouting in this manner very unpleasant.