Lucy letby - New threads (Part 3)

[WhiteFire]

The last thread has closed. I have kept the thread title in line with the previous one for continuity.

I have just started listening to the Daily Mail podcasts which gives a good overview.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-trial-of-lucy-letby/id1653090985

I've downloaded an app called Radio net so I can download them and then listen off line.

The evidence against her is compelling, the defence is pretty much "it wasn't me"

And yet we're still discussing other high profile cases like Hindley and Brady, Ian Huntley, the Wests, Shipman, Sally Clark, Stefan Kiszko, Peter Sutcliffe - in some cases, almost 60 years after the original events.

Face it, this is not going to disappear from the news, particularly with the inquiry to come, to say nothing of potential civil claims and a possible appeal. The fact that you've expended so many paragraphs on it kind of demonstrates all of that, too.

That's an apt point too.

I feel certain that civil cases will follow.

There is culpability on the part of the health trust from the period that they were alerted to the possibility that LL was connected with every case of death or harm and when she was actually removed from her role.

I am certain that the families will have been advised legally on this and that a class action will follow. It may happen behind closed doors though.

Class actions aren’t a thing in England and Wales. I’m certain the parents will be seeing solicitors already though.

I had a quick look at some of them, they're all short, and with nothing more to add than has already been widely reported. Just people trying to cash in on the whole tragedy.

Thanks for the new thread OP.
Like others I have only started listening to the podcasts since the verdict. I didn't read many of the newspaper reports during the trial as there was so much sensationalist reporting and it was going on so long. As the podcasts point out they are giving much more detail than has been reported in the news and are very accurate as they could ONLY report/discuss what the jury had heard due to contempt of court laws. Plus there are very interesting discussions with people like the court artist or seasoned court reporters about their work.
I like being able to have a civilised discussion about some of these extra details.

Not quite true, collective/ class actions can be brought in PI type claims.

They are dealt with, sometimes, under Group Litigation Orders (GLO)

I agree.

Every big case is still discussed year on.

If we didn't keep the communication channels open re facts of these cases it makes it harder to prevent them occurring again.

Apparently at least two of the families have engaged solicitors. Those with children with life changing conditions were always going to seek compensation to cover the enormous ongoing costs involved.

And so they should. Their lives have been completely obliterated due to LL's actions and management's inaction.

Of course they should. That goes without saying.

One firm is representing the families of 7 babies in relation to potential claims - https://www.switalskis.com/lucy-letby-statement-and-information-for-the-media/

I'm listening to the podcasts for the first time, though only on episode 7. One fairly striking point is various nurse colleagues of LL sympathising with her for the awful time she was having because she was always there when babies died. I wonder whether any of them were having suspicions at an earlier stage?

Also, does anyone know why some of the medical staff are anonymised but not all?

And I found it interesting that she seemed to also want to highlight she was always there too.

Its important to discuss cases like this. I think there are probably lots more psycopaths out there hiding in plain sight. Discussion means that we are more aware and therefore safer. Sad but true.

Just re listening to her being interviewed by prosecution. (I'm batch cooking!)

What really stood out for me was the questioning around the "go commando" comment.

She laughed in the texts.

But said she couldn't say if she knew what commando meant.

It's just such an odd response. You either know or don't.

Yes it was an obvious and pointless lie. It’s clear she knows what it means.

You can apply to the court for anonymity before the trial., the flirty boyfriend come doctor did.

Yes, I realise something like that must have happened, but as I understand it you don't get anonymity just because you ask - there has to be a reason. Something to do with the basic principle of open justice. So I'm wondering why some medics are anonymous but not all.

@LuluJili stop dictating what people can and can't talk about on a discussion forum! Jeez how arrogant...

The podcasts are very useful and incredibly enlightening. I can't understand how people can listen to those podcasts and think that LL is innocent.

The Covid deniers are finding a new thing to find an alternative, skewed narrative about 🙄

100% this. And also, isn't there a statistic that nearly half of female serial killers work in a care / medical setting?

Yes it was an obvious and pointless lie. It’s clear she knows what it means.

Yes - pointless is a good description. It was just a 30 second exchange but for me it was so interesting and seemed a real insight into how she controlled narrative.

There was nothing wrong with the text and wasn't incriminating as such. The only explanation I can think was it would hint at her wanting more with Dr A or that more happened which she's obviously denied. And the link that someone suggested her motive was to get him to the ward to work with her.

I agree, if she’d simply answered the question it would have been no big deal.

but I think everyone realises. Well nearly everyone, she isn’t normal and her behaviour is unfathomable. She lies by default. It’s her going in position. She sat and lied continuously on that stand, so this was just another example.

It suggested something sexual and she was desperate to pretend it was a purely platonic relationship.
I suspect Dr A was stringing her along for his ego, something similar happened to a friend of mine. No affair but seemed to use my friend purely as an ego boost.